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I don't think that anybody is going to forget the damage caused Trump. I'm willing to bet that negotiations are underway between pretty much everybody outside

by Yoric 2y ago

I don't think that anybody is going to forget the damage caused Trump. I'm willing to bet that negotiations are underway between pretty much everybody outside of the US-Russia axis to try and come up with a new world trade order. Lowering the tariffs from an insane level of 20% to a slightly less insane level of 10% won't change that.

Forgeties79 2y ago
Yeah at the end of the day chaos is chaos. The end result does not clear the stench unless it ends with some amazing result, which is very unlikely to be the case. A lot of countries also remember that Trump threw a tantrum about trade deals during his first administration, renegotiated with Canada and Mexico for basically 95% the same deals we had before, and then came back in complaining about the deals again. The very deals he negotiated. We are an unreliable ally and trade partner. Countries are going to get sick of the whiplash if they aren’t already.
- Yoric 2y ago
  I believe that there is a general feeling that the US has been allowed to do anything thanks to the popularity they gained during WW2, but that it's now pretty much three generations ago and they've gone quite a bit too far with Trump. I realize that some of this is the exact symmetric of what Trump is claiming, e.g. that the rest of the world has been abusing the benevolence of the US, so I regard both claims with equal suspicion, but it's clear that any feeling of good will towards the US has evaporated.
  - Forgeties79 2y ago
    I think what gets me about the US "being taken advantage of" narrative is that it just strikes me as completely disregarding the soft power we've enjoyed for so long. Those investments or "wasteful projects that don't benefit people in the US" have granted us a lot of stability abroad, relatively speaking, which does translate to a better life at home ultimately. I don't know if these people are intellectually dishonest or just ignorant, if I can be blunt. If there is some legitimate counter argument that shows the cons outweigh the pros I have yet to hear it.
herval 2y ago
The news pretty much confirm this - Apple wants to make iPhones in Brazil, EU and China negotiating to lower EV tariffs, etc.

by Yoric 2y ago

Forgeties79 2y ago

Yeah at the end of the day chaos is chaos. The end result does not clear the stench unless it ends with some amazing result, which is very unlikely to be the case. A lot of countries also remember that Trump threw a tantrum about trade deals during his first administration, renegotiated with Canada and Mexico for basically 95% the same deals we had before, and then came back in complaining about the deals again. The very deals he negotiated. We are an unreliable ally and trade partner. Countries are going to get sick of the whiplash if they aren’t already.

Yoric 2y ago
I believe that there is a general feeling that the US has been allowed to do anything thanks to the popularity they gained during WW2, but that it's now pretty much three generations ago and they've gone quite a bit too far with Trump. I realize that some of this is the exact symmetric of what Trump is claiming, e.g. that the rest of the world has been abusing the benevolence of the US, so I regard both claims with equal suspicion, but it's clear that any feeling of good will towards the US has evaporated.
- Forgeties79 2y ago
  I think what gets me about the US "being taken advantage of" narrative is that it just strikes me as completely disregarding the soft power we've enjoyed for so long. Those investments or "wasteful projects that don't benefit people in the US" have granted us a lot of stability abroad, relatively speaking, which does translate to a better life at home ultimately. I don't know if these people are intellectually dishonest or just ignorant, if I can be blunt. If there is some legitimate counter argument that shows the cons outweigh the pros I have yet to hear it.

herval 2y ago

The news pretty much confirm this - Apple wants to make iPhones in Brazil, EU and China negotiating to lower EV tariffs, etc.