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Our universities are the envy of the world for their academic freedoms. Were. Were the envy of the world.

AlexandrB 2y ago
When did they stop being the envy of the world? Was it when every member of faculty was basically forced to sign diversity pledges?[1] Was it when students and faculty were given time off to mourn the outcome of a democratic election?[2] Or maybe it was when protesters for a conflict half a world away were allowed to intimidate students from attending classes?[3] No, I guess it was when government funding was cut ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [1] https://www.thefire.org/research-learn/fire-statement-use-diversity-equity-and-inclusion-criteria-faculty-hiring-and https://www.thefire.org/research-learn/fire-statement-use-di... [2] https://www.columbiaspectator.com/news/2024/11/07/its-just-heartbreaking-columbia-and-barnard-students-react-to-trump-election/ https://www.columbiaspectator.com/news/2024/11/07/its-just-h... [3] https://www.timesofisrael.com/dozens-arrested-at-yale-columbia-pauses-in-person-classes-amid-anti-israel-protests/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/dozens-arrested-at-yale-columb... Edit: See also this account of the last four years: https://unsafescience.substack.com/p/the-last-four-years-were-the-most https://unsafescience.substack.com/p/the-last-four-years-wer... Academic freedom has been dead at US universities for a while. The murderer is not the guy who was elected in 2024.
- SubiculumCode 2y ago
  Please. Re the fire.org, have you read through the 600 cases? [1] https://www.thefire.org/research-learn/scholars-under-fire#home/?view_4_page=48 https://www.thefire.org/research-learn/scholars-under-fire#h... Read them. You won't see any strong "woke" pattern...just the usual mix bag
- MarceColl 2y ago
  As an outsider, none of what you said matters one bit to us. All seems fairly reasonable by "world" standards. When your universities stopped being the envy of the world was when attending them meant hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt for a teenager. The cuts are even more pathetic and just cement our image.
- mkoubaa 2y ago
  (1) and (2) have some merit but (3) is total nonsense
- BriggyDwiggs42 2y ago
  > No, I guess it was when government funding was cut Yup

When did they stop being the envy of the world? Was it when every member of faculty was basically forced to sign diversity pledges?[1] Was it when students and faculty were given time off to mourn the outcome of a democratic election?[2] Or maybe it was when protesters for a conflict half a world away were allowed to intimidate students from attending classes?[3] No, I guess it was when government funding was cut ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [1] https://www.thefire.org/research-learn/fire-statement-use-diversity-equity-and-inclusion-criteria-faculty-hiring-and https://www.thefire.org/research-learn/fire-statement-use-di... [2] https://www.columbiaspectator.com/news/2024/11/07/its-just-heartbreaking-columbia-and-barnard-students-react-to-trump-election/ https://www.columbiaspectator.com/news/2024/11/07/its-just-h... [3] https://www.timesofisrael.com/dozens-arrested-at-yale-columbia-pauses-in-person-classes-amid-anti-israel-protests/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/dozens-arrested-at-yale-columb... Edit: See also this account of the last four years: https://unsafescience.substack.com/p/the-last-four-years-were-the-most https://unsafescience.substack.com/p/the-last-four-years-wer... Academic freedom has been dead at US universities for a while. The murderer is not the guy who was elected in 2024.

SubiculumCode 2y ago
Please. Re the fire.org, have you read through the 600 cases? [1] https://www.thefire.org/research-learn/scholars-under-fire#home/?view_4_page=48 https://www.thefire.org/research-learn/scholars-under-fire#h... Read them. You won't see any strong "woke" pattern...just the usual mix bag
MarceColl 2y ago
As an outsider, none of what you said matters one bit to us. All seems fairly reasonable by "world" standards. When your universities stopped being the envy of the world was when attending them meant hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt for a teenager. The cuts are even more pathetic and just cement our image.
mkoubaa 2y ago
(1) and (2) have some merit but (3) is total nonsense
BriggyDwiggs42 2y ago
> No, I guess it was when government funding was cut Yup