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Not the grandparent, but I've been waiting for somebody to ask! The gov should guarantee a minimum wage job for everybody. You get out of bed, do something use

Not the grandparent, but I've been waiting for somebody to ask! The gov should guarantee a minimum wage job for everybody. You get out of bed, do something useful, you get a pay check. You might even learn a trade or develop skills. Don't like your boss, or the work not right for you, there can be plenty of other jobs for you to move into. What are all these jobs? I'm glad you asked! We need to plant billions of trees to soak up CO2, then tend the forests. We could use a few massive desalination projects. We can convert the world to green energy. We can care for our elderly better. We could use a lot more teachers. (How does 10 kids per teacher sound!). Of course would could have more homes and nicer cities. (How good would it be for the gov to pay you to build your own house!) There is a very long list of cool stuff we could do if you don't need rich people to invest in it first!

em-bee 2y ago
this! there is so much potential that we could develop if we trained people to work in meaningful jobs and if we actually funded these jobs. everywhere we hear complaints about how there are not enough teachers. never mind getting a teacher per 10 kids. some countries don't have enough teachers to get one per 30 kids. but there is no limit here. same goes for healthcare. nurses and doctors are hopelessly overworked. we could easily do with having 3x as many people work in those areas. even in science and research. we have a replication crisis because research is given the wrong incentives. how about awarding more reputation who replicate and verify existing research and without reputation for anything that can't be replicated. there is absolutely no reason for anyone to be out of work. there is enough good work to do. GP: Paying someone who provides no return on investment is simply a bad investment this thinking is the big mistake. the return of investment in letting people work on meaningful things is massive. here is the kicker though. the examples we gave so far don't even need UBI. we could just fund education and those jobs. however there is still a large benefit to UBI. it gives people more flexibility. it allows them to work less hours and spend their time on other things that can't easily be paid like caring for the environment in a more active way. keep your neighborhood clean. care for animals. help neighbors. socialize. spend more time with your children. these are all beneficial for our society. it is absolutely false that there is no return of such an investment. I've been waiting for somebody to ask i have been making this argument many times over the years. here on HN and elsewhere. the key is education. UBI is a great idea. but only with better and more education can the world really benefit from it.

em-bee 2y ago

this! there is so much potential that we could develop if we trained people to work in meaningful jobs and if we actually funded these jobs. everywhere we hear complaints about how there are not enough teachers. never mind getting a teacher per 10 kids. some countries don't have enough teachers to get one per 30 kids. but there is no limit here. same goes for healthcare. nurses and doctors are hopelessly overworked. we could easily do with having 3x as many people work in those areas. even in science and research. we have a replication crisis because research is given the wrong incentives. how about awarding more reputation who replicate and verify existing research and without reputation for anything that can't be replicated. there is absolutely no reason for anyone to be out of work. there is enough good work to do. GP: Paying someone who provides no return on investment is simply a bad investment this thinking is the big mistake. the return of investment in letting people work on meaningful things is massive. here is the kicker though. the examples we gave so far don't even need UBI. we could just fund education and those jobs. however there is still a large benefit to UBI. it gives people more flexibility. it allows them to work less hours and spend their time on other things that can't easily be paid like caring for the environment in a more active way. keep your neighborhood clean. care for animals. help neighbors. socialize. spend more time with your children. these are all beneficial for our society. it is absolutely false that there is no return of such an investment. I've been waiting for somebody to ask i have been making this argument many times over the years. here on HN and elsewhere. the key is education. UBI is a great idea. but only with better and more education can the world really benefit from it.