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I believe at this point it's a simple game of leverage. Look how much damage I can inflict. Now let's negotiate.

maxerickson 2y ago
He only has political leverage over Congress. If they chose to act, they could stop him. Seems weird to kick off negotiations with them by inflicting damage on their constituents.
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bdangubic 2y ago
damage to himself you mean? he came with a knife to a gunfight…
- delusional 2y ago
  And then decided to stab himself for some reason.
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dongobread 2y ago
The US has crashed its own stock market, tanked its own government's approval ratings, and had its own business leaders speak out against the government. This definitely does not increase leverage.
- gmueckl 2y ago
  But these are all internal to the US. Trade partners still have to deal with the current administration and don't have any recourse.
- reverendsteveii 2y ago
  >The US has crashed everyone's stock markets look at global trends. no one thinks anyone can make money without the world's leading per capita consumer spender fully on-board. That is leverage.
  - robocat 2y ago
    Was the plan to incentivise Korea, China and Japan to work together? You know you've screwed up when bitter rivals decide to cooperate together. Every government that has to do something undesirable to their citizens have been given something to blame: a beautiful excuse that will be milked relentlessly to the disadvantage of the US. Businesses get screwed by flaky management - and now we get to see the US get screwed by its unreliable self-centered Prez.
  - matt-p 2y ago
    make as much money which by the way is totally obvious. FTSE was down 3.2% at it's worst.
  - refurb 2y ago
    This. If anything, it showed the leverage the US has. Even countries like Singapore, hit with a 10% tariff (marginal, and far lower than most countries) absolutely panicked. Interestingly, I looked up the size of consumer markets - the US is twice the size of the next biggest market, the EU. So I don’t blame countries for panicking. And if you’re really conspiratorial, one could question whether the push for free trade was really an attempt to put the US into a situation where it had leverage against most of the globe.
- bakuninsbart 2y ago
  With the bounce back the Dow Jones lost 400 points. For comparison, the German DAX lost 900 points, but is only half the size. It is a reckless and probably counter-productive strategy, but I do think Trump will be able to extract short-term benefits from a number of countries. I just hope the EU will finally decrease reliance on the US going forward. Our extreme reliance on US tech and defense makes us easy marks.
rurp 2y ago
This is like shooting yourself in the foot to splatter blood on your opponent. It "works" in a sense, but is about the stupidest approach possible. There's a reason the dollar weakened in this crisis instead of strengthening like usual. Everyone can see that the US will be hurt far more by this idiocy than other countries will.
- int_19h 2y ago
  There's a saying in Russian: "beat your own to make the others afraid". Maybe there's something to this theory of Trump being on the dole in Kremlin... ~
gambiting 2y ago
How is this a negotiation tactic. "I bought $200 worth of stuff from your store and the store bought $0 worth of stuff from me. To punish them, I'm going to pay myself $100 every time I buy anything from the store in the future - that will show them!"
chasing 2y ago
I’m going to keep punching myself in the nuts until you do what I say.

He only has political leverage over Congress. If they chose to act, they could stop him. Seems weird to kick off negotiations with them by inflicting damage on their constituents.

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bdangubic 2y ago

damage to himself you mean? he came with a knife to a gunfight…

delusional 2y ago
And then decided to stab himself for some reason.
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dongobread 2y ago

The US has crashed its own stock market, tanked its own government's approval ratings, and had its own business leaders speak out against the government. This definitely does not increase leverage.

gmueckl 2y ago
But these are all internal to the US. Trade partners still have to deal with the current administration and don't have any recourse.
reverendsteveii 2y ago
>The US has crashed everyone's stock markets look at global trends. no one thinks anyone can make money without the world's leading per capita consumer spender fully on-board. That is leverage.
- robocat 2y ago
  Was the plan to incentivise Korea, China and Japan to work together? You know you've screwed up when bitter rivals decide to cooperate together. Every government that has to do something undesirable to their citizens have been given something to blame: a beautiful excuse that will be milked relentlessly to the disadvantage of the US. Businesses get screwed by flaky management - and now we get to see the US get screwed by its unreliable self-centered Prez.
- matt-p 2y ago
  make as much money which by the way is totally obvious. FTSE was down 3.2% at it's worst.
- refurb 2y ago
  This. If anything, it showed the leverage the US has. Even countries like Singapore, hit with a 10% tariff (marginal, and far lower than most countries) absolutely panicked. Interestingly, I looked up the size of consumer markets - the US is twice the size of the next biggest market, the EU. So I don’t blame countries for panicking. And if you’re really conspiratorial, one could question whether the push for free trade was really an attempt to put the US into a situation where it had leverage against most of the globe.
bakuninsbart 2y ago
With the bounce back the Dow Jones lost 400 points. For comparison, the German DAX lost 900 points, but is only half the size. It is a reckless and probably counter-productive strategy, but I do think Trump will be able to extract short-term benefits from a number of countries. I just hope the EU will finally decrease reliance on the US going forward. Our extreme reliance on US tech and defense makes us easy marks.

rurp 2y ago

This is like shooting yourself in the foot to splatter blood on your opponent. It "works" in a sense, but is about the stupidest approach possible. There's a reason the dollar weakened in this crisis instead of strengthening like usual. Everyone can see that the US will be hurt far more by this idiocy than other countries will.

int_19h 2y ago
There's a saying in Russian: "beat your own to make the others afraid". Maybe there's something to this theory of Trump being on the dole in Kremlin... ~

gambiting 2y ago

How is this a negotiation tactic. "I bought $200 worth of stuff from your store and the store bought $0 worth of stuff from me. To punish them, I'm going to pay myself $100 every time I buy anything from the store in the future - that will show them!"

chasing 2y ago

I’m going to keep punching myself in the nuts until you do what I say.