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It's priced in a similar way to Lego.

stevage 2y ago
I don't find Lego especially expensive. And Lego is way more difficult to manufacture, has very exacting functional requirements and extremely good QA.
- iamacyborg 2y ago
  I don’t know a great deal about injection moulding but I’d assume GW kits are more detailed than lego, having seen some sprues. The stuff they’re putting out these days is really quite good.
- Symbiote 2y ago
  I bought a Warhammer set during Covid and was amazed at the detail, compared to the 1990s stuff I had as a kid. I can't say what's more difficult to manufacture - millions of identical bricks that snap together, or a huge range of different, detailed designs which fit snugly together but don't lock. Just the first thing on the home page: https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/Deathlords-Mortarchs-Mannfred https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/Deathlords-Mortarchs-Ma...
  - stevage 2y ago
    > millions of identical bricks Clearly you are not aware of the extraordinary range of Lego pieces.
    - Symbiote 2y ago
      Proportionate to the size of each company and the amount of toys they produce, I'll bet there's significantly more variety in Warhammer. Just from a quick search, within a year Games Workshop offer about 3000 different model kits, each of which will contain ~1-4 unique moulded sprues. There seem to be at least 50 new kits each year, possibly 100, otherwise what's available rotates around the older kits. Lego have produced about 15,000 different sets since 1950, and a huge number of the parts are shared between sets. (That's the whole point of the toy, no?)
      - stevage 2y ago
        Yeah I tried to look up the number of different Lego partszbut it gets hard to define what a Lego part is. And are we counting different colours, different designs printed on them, etc. Somewhere between 5k and 60k.
        pjerem 2y ago
        Also you have to take in account that Lego frequently stops certain parts and also that they more and more create complex parts and comparatively less "classic" bricks. Which is an issue because it makes the sets way more difficult to reuse than 30 years ago. Go figure what to build with a random ninjago set except the official model. But that’s another ~~rant~~story.
- dmoy 2y ago
  Lego is pure IP (both from LEGO itself, and then e.g. Disney or whoever is behind the theme of a given set). If you get sets designed in China and made at the same factories that make Lego bricks, they're like 1/3 the cost. If you get sets designed in not-China but obviously ripped off ("Star World" sets that are 1:1 copies of Star Wars legos), also in the same factories, it's like 1/10 the cost. The manufacturing isn't easy, sure, but it's more or less a solved problem and not at all reflected in the cost. So when GP says priced like Lego, they just mean that - priced based on something completely different from the cost of materials, manufacturing, etc.
  - jldl805 2y ago
    False. Lego is some of the most precise injection molding in the world. The tolerances are insane and they nail them every time. Compare with offbrand building blocks and you'll feel the difference. Micromolding is very hard, and Lego is the best at it.
    - dmoy 2y ago
      10-20 years ago, sure. Nowadays you can get basically the same product from LEGO compatible competitors for way cheaper. Dunno how many modern sets of the variety of competitor stuff you've assembled recently, there's huge variance. Some of it definitely has crap QC. Some of it is really, really good now. My wife put together some knockoff 8000+ piece set the other year and the pieces were basically flawless.
      - mogrim 2y ago
        Where I've seen the difference is in the quality of the instructions (which matters) and the packaging (which arguably doesn't). The bricks themselves are, as you say, basically flawless.
    - lnsru 2y ago
      Exactly. I bought 3 or 4 China Lego clones to try and the parts were slightly different in size and in color. Some blocks way too big, so building was not good experience. For original Lego you don’t need sanding paper on the table.
eecc 2y ago
Yeah, and way much too! I wanted this so bad for my kid but it’s breathtakingly expensive (while still being quite an underwhelming set). https://www.lego.com/nl-nl/product/lego-education-spike-prime-set-45678 https://www.lego.com/nl-nl/product/lego-education-spike-prim...

I don't find Lego especially expensive. And Lego is way more difficult to manufacture, has very exacting functional requirements and extremely good QA.

iamacyborg 2y ago
I don’t know a great deal about injection moulding but I’d assume GW kits are more detailed than lego, having seen some sprues. The stuff they’re putting out these days is really quite good.
Symbiote 2y ago
I bought a Warhammer set during Covid and was amazed at the detail, compared to the 1990s stuff I had as a kid. I can't say what's more difficult to manufacture - millions of identical bricks that snap together, or a huge range of different, detailed designs which fit snugly together but don't lock. Just the first thing on the home page: https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/Deathlords-Mortarchs-Mannfred https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/Deathlords-Mortarchs-Ma...
- stevage 2y ago
  > millions of identical bricks Clearly you are not aware of the extraordinary range of Lego pieces.
  - Symbiote 2y ago
    Proportionate to the size of each company and the amount of toys they produce, I'll bet there's significantly more variety in Warhammer. Just from a quick search, within a year Games Workshop offer about 3000 different model kits, each of which will contain ~1-4 unique moulded sprues. There seem to be at least 50 new kits each year, possibly 100, otherwise what's available rotates around the older kits. Lego have produced about 15,000 different sets since 1950, and a huge number of the parts are shared between sets. (That's the whole point of the toy, no?)
    - stevage 2y ago
      Yeah I tried to look up the number of different Lego partszbut it gets hard to define what a Lego part is. And are we counting different colours, different designs printed on them, etc. Somewhere between 5k and 60k.
      - pjerem 2y ago
        Also you have to take in account that Lego frequently stops certain parts and also that they more and more create complex parts and comparatively less "classic" bricks. Which is an issue because it makes the sets way more difficult to reuse than 30 years ago. Go figure what to build with a random ninjago set except the official model. But that’s another ~~rant~~story.
dmoy 2y ago
Lego is pure IP (both from LEGO itself, and then e.g. Disney or whoever is behind the theme of a given set). If you get sets designed in China and made at the same factories that make Lego bricks, they're like 1/3 the cost. If you get sets designed in not-China but obviously ripped off ("Star World" sets that are 1:1 copies of Star Wars legos), also in the same factories, it's like 1/10 the cost. The manufacturing isn't easy, sure, but it's more or less a solved problem and not at all reflected in the cost. So when GP says priced like Lego, they just mean that - priced based on something completely different from the cost of materials, manufacturing, etc.
- jldl805 2y ago
  False. Lego is some of the most precise injection molding in the world. The tolerances are insane and they nail them every time. Compare with offbrand building blocks and you'll feel the difference. Micromolding is very hard, and Lego is the best at it.
  - dmoy 2y ago
    10-20 years ago, sure. Nowadays you can get basically the same product from LEGO compatible competitors for way cheaper. Dunno how many modern sets of the variety of competitor stuff you've assembled recently, there's huge variance. Some of it definitely has crap QC. Some of it is really, really good now. My wife put together some knockoff 8000+ piece set the other year and the pieces were basically flawless.
    - mogrim 2y ago
      Where I've seen the difference is in the quality of the instructions (which matters) and the packaging (which arguably doesn't). The bricks themselves are, as you say, basically flawless.
  - lnsru 2y ago
    Exactly. I bought 3 or 4 China Lego clones to try and the parts were slightly different in size and in color. Some blocks way too big, so building was not good experience. For original Lego you don’t need sanding paper on the table.

eecc 2y ago

Yeah, and way much too! I wanted this so bad for my kid but it’s breathtakingly expensive (while still being quite an underwhelming set). https://www.lego.com/nl-nl/product/lego-education-spike-prime-set-45678 https://www.lego.com/nl-nl/product/lego-education-spike-prim...