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Except since no parliament can bind a future parliament it won't be worth the paper it's written on. The loudest voices calling for a scrap are exactly the peo

Except since no parliament can bind a future parliament it won't be worth the paper it's written on. The loudest voices calling for a scrap are exactly the people you DON'T want deciding what human rights you'll be "allowed". And incitement to violence is, and always should be, unprotected speech - your silly "two tier kier" is informing me greatly that you're on the "they locked them up for hurty words!" bandwagon.

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callamdelaney 2y ago
Weird, the bill of rights act of 1689 is still in force. It’s literally the policy of this country to sentence white men to harsher custodial sentences with more chance of a custodial sentence than any other group, simply for the crime of being a white man. Are these the sorts of people you think should decide our rights? If the government would do what people have been voting for for decades and end mass immigration and take real action on this ridiculous and purposeful misuse of the human rights act, then nobody would want to redact it. But they won’t.
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- philjohn 2y ago
  It is not the "policy of this country" you need to actually read how things work, what bodies have what power, and who is doing what. The sentencing council is an independant body, they are not the government, and the government has said "no, that's not right" so they're passing a bill to stop the new guidelines coming into effect: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-to-introduce-legislation-to-block-new-sentencing-guidelines https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-to-introduce-l...
  - callamdelaney 2y ago
    It's the policy of this country, it doesn't matter who sets it. It doesn't matter if it's set by parliament. It doens't matter if it's set by an independent body. The fact is that you will receive a harsher sentence for being a white male than you will if you belong to any other group. That is the policy. The Conservative government thought that was the right thing to do. Apparently the new government 'will' introduce a bill to stop this, but they haven't yet. So it's still the policy. Meanwhile it's legal and popular to discriminate against white men and women on the basis of being white - the government, police and military regularly put out jobs only for none whites. But if I were to put out a role only for whites, that's against the law. This discrimination extends to our top universities where it's becoming much more difficult (relative to population %) to obtain a spot as a white student. That's why people think this country is now a two tier system, and they're right. Opportunities are being taken from those who have earned them and given to those who have not. Meritocracy and equality under the law is already long gone.
    - philjohn 2y ago
      Again, you're just regurgitating what Reform talking heads are saying. You probably didn't even realise that the sentencing guidelines were put on hold on the 31st of March. Got any proof that the fall in white admission to university is down to discrimination, and not the relative poorer showing of the native population compared to first and second generation immigrants who put a higher premium on doing well at school? Also can you respond with some of the "non whites only" job postings?
      - callamdelaney 2y ago
        Between 2019 and 2023 28.8% [0] of students admitted to Oxford were of ethnic minority background. Cambridge admitted 34% [1] ethnic minority students in 2023. That means you're roughly twice as likely to be admitted to a top university as a minority student. It's possible that some percentage of this is because of better academic achievement, though in that case it's confusing that Oxbridge are looking to remove exams due to underperformance of students of ethnic minority background in tests [2] - which would support my view that it is easier to study at these institutions if you aren't white. but it's also possible that the education system is systematically 'letting down' white boys, which is a view supported by an education committee report (and countless others) in 2021. [3] - 31 white pilots were let go / held back / paid off so that the RAF could prioritise diversity hires [4], [5]. - Police roles only open to BME candidates [6] - there are countless other examples of this, various government departments have used 'positive action' racism clauses in the same way. You're just regurgitating what Labour talking heads are saying. You probably didn't even realise that it's legal to be racist against white people. Perhaps you should read more of the news, so you can understand what's really going on. [0] https://www.ox.ac.uk/about/facts-and-figures/admissions-statistics/undergraduate-students https://www.ox.ac.uk/about/facts-and-figures/admissions-stat... [1] https://www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/sites/default/files/publications/ug_admissions_statistics_2023_cycle.pdf https://www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/sites/default/file... [2] https://www.yahoo.com/news/oxford-cambridge-move-away-traditional-150807467.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/oxford-cambridge-move-away-tradit... [3] https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/203/education-committee/news/156024/forgotten-white-workingclass-pupils-let-down-by-decades-of-neglect-mps-say/ https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/203/education-com... [4] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66060490 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66060490 [5] https://news.sky.com/story/raf-recruiters-were-advised-against-selecting-useless-white-male-pilots-to-hit-diversity-targets-12893684 https://news.sky.com/story/raf-recruiters-were-advised-again... [6] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/09/west-yorkshire-police-blocks-white-applicants-diversity/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/09/west-yorkshire-p...

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callamdelaney 2y ago

Weird, the bill of rights act of 1689 is still in force. It’s literally the policy of this country to sentence white men to harsher custodial sentences with more chance of a custodial sentence than any other group, simply for the crime of being a white man. Are these the sorts of people you think should decide our rights? If the government would do what people have been voting for for decades and end mass immigration and take real action on this ridiculous and purposeful misuse of the human rights act, then nobody would want to redact it. But they won’t.

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philjohn 2y ago
It is not the "policy of this country" you need to actually read how things work, what bodies have what power, and who is doing what. The sentencing council is an independant body, they are not the government, and the government has said "no, that's not right" so they're passing a bill to stop the new guidelines coming into effect: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-to-introduce-legislation-to-block-new-sentencing-guidelines https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-to-introduce-l...
- callamdelaney 2y ago
  It's the policy of this country, it doesn't matter who sets it. It doesn't matter if it's set by parliament. It doens't matter if it's set by an independent body. The fact is that you will receive a harsher sentence for being a white male than you will if you belong to any other group. That is the policy. The Conservative government thought that was the right thing to do. Apparently the new government 'will' introduce a bill to stop this, but they haven't yet. So it's still the policy. Meanwhile it's legal and popular to discriminate against white men and women on the basis of being white - the government, police and military regularly put out jobs only for none whites. But if I were to put out a role only for whites, that's against the law. This discrimination extends to our top universities where it's becoming much more difficult (relative to population %) to obtain a spot as a white student. That's why people think this country is now a two tier system, and they're right. Opportunities are being taken from those who have earned them and given to those who have not. Meritocracy and equality under the law is already long gone.
  - philjohn 2y ago
    Again, you're just regurgitating what Reform talking heads are saying. You probably didn't even realise that the sentencing guidelines were put on hold on the 31st of March. Got any proof that the fall in white admission to university is down to discrimination, and not the relative poorer showing of the native population compared to first and second generation immigrants who put a higher premium on doing well at school? Also can you respond with some of the "non whites only" job postings?
    - callamdelaney 2y ago
      Between 2019 and 2023 28.8% [0] of students admitted to Oxford were of ethnic minority background. Cambridge admitted 34% [1] ethnic minority students in 2023. That means you're roughly twice as likely to be admitted to a top university as a minority student. It's possible that some percentage of this is because of better academic achievement, though in that case it's confusing that Oxbridge are looking to remove exams due to underperformance of students of ethnic minority background in tests [2] - which would support my view that it is easier to study at these institutions if you aren't white. but it's also possible that the education system is systematically 'letting down' white boys, which is a view supported by an education committee report (and countless others) in 2021. [3] - 31 white pilots were let go / held back / paid off so that the RAF could prioritise diversity hires [4], [5]. - Police roles only open to BME candidates [6] - there are countless other examples of this, various government departments have used 'positive action' racism clauses in the same way. You're just regurgitating what Labour talking heads are saying. You probably didn't even realise that it's legal to be racist against white people. Perhaps you should read more of the news, so you can understand what's really going on. [0] https://www.ox.ac.uk/about/facts-and-figures/admissions-statistics/undergraduate-students https://www.ox.ac.uk/about/facts-and-figures/admissions-stat... [1] https://www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/sites/default/files/publications/ug_admissions_statistics_2023_cycle.pdf https://www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/sites/default/file... [2] https://www.yahoo.com/news/oxford-cambridge-move-away-traditional-150807467.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/oxford-cambridge-move-away-tradit... [3] https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/203/education-committee/news/156024/forgotten-white-workingclass-pupils-let-down-by-decades-of-neglect-mps-say/ https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/203/education-com... [4] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66060490 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66060490 [5] https://news.sky.com/story/raf-recruiters-were-advised-against-selecting-useless-white-male-pilots-to-hit-diversity-targets-12893684 https://news.sky.com/story/raf-recruiters-were-advised-again... [6] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/09/west-yorkshire-police-blocks-white-applicants-diversity/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/09/west-yorkshire-p...