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The USA is also below replacement levels.

by Izikiel43 2y ago

philg_jr 2y ago
Not with immigration.
- _t9ow 2y ago
  Immigration will take a nosedive under Trump.
- peterfirefly 2y ago
  That's not necessarily a good thing. Do the New Americans want the same things as the pre-existing ones? Are they as capable? Not just "in a few generations" but here and now? Are they even likely to be as capable "in a few generations"? If the statistics aren't very wrong, it doesn't seem like a solution.
  - marxplank 2y ago
    Indian Americans make the most money in America, I’m sure immigrants can be capable
    - horns4lyfe 2y ago
      “Making the most money” isn’t the same as building a society people want to live in
      - slt2021 2y ago
        by all statistics, it is Americans that make the life in the USA insufferable: corrupt politicians, oligarchs, lobbyists, party leaders, and criminals (the ones that sell drugs and shoot people). go to any county/state jail and try to find a single H-1B visa holder there... its all home grown foundational Americans, raised on McDonalds and Coke
- ezst 2y ago
  Don't worry, Republicans are hard at work making the USA a pariah state and turning away the educated migrants who've been behind most of the innovation and research of past decades.
  - vixen99 2y ago
    What, non-migrant Americans are not up to it?
    - unethical_ban 2y ago
      The US has benefited quite a bit by being a magnet for some of the most educated and driven people from around the world. This is not a controversial take. Now, legal resident noncitizens are being deported for having political views that oppose the ruling executive party. This is not normal in the US.
- slt2021 2y ago
  Immigration is a double edge sword. Sure, it brings highly educated people on the top end, but also less educated at the bottom curve. and on balance it changes demographics dramatically, that also shapes US policy in the future. It will be harder for USA to continue to be bloody warmongering machine with Military industrial complex dictating the policy and bombing countries and blowing up civilians around the world.
- spaceman_2020 2y ago
  Immigration isn’t risk free You get your birth rates up, but you also risk alienating your native born population and electing far right morons into office Jury’s out on whether a tfr of 1.0 of native born people is better than a tfr of 1.4 with immigrants
bboygravity 2y ago
US birthrate is 1.6, really bad, but by far less disasterous and permanent as China's 1.
- throwaway2037 2y ago
  I Googled: china fertility rate 2024 A couple of reliable sources say: 1.7 births per woman Where did you get 1?
  - boelboel 2y ago
    No credible source says 1.7, the source that says this must be based on some kinda UN projection of 2010. Real TFR is probably around 1.0, in some parts of china it's below 0.7 (in the northeast it's around this number, in Macao it's 0.4). A lot of other countries are completely fucked as well and google pushes up UN projections from years ago (Like colombia UN projects the fertility rate to be higher in 2100 than it is according to the official numbers right now).

The USA is also below replacement levels.

philg_jr 2y ago

Not with immigration.

_t9ow 2y ago
Immigration will take a nosedive under Trump.
peterfirefly 2y ago
That's not necessarily a good thing. Do the New Americans want the same things as the pre-existing ones? Are they as capable? Not just "in a few generations" but here and now? Are they even likely to be as capable "in a few generations"? If the statistics aren't very wrong, it doesn't seem like a solution.
- marxplank 2y ago
  Indian Americans make the most money in America, I’m sure immigrants can be capable
  - horns4lyfe 2y ago
    “Making the most money” isn’t the same as building a society people want to live in
    - slt2021 2y ago
      by all statistics, it is Americans that make the life in the USA insufferable: corrupt politicians, oligarchs, lobbyists, party leaders, and criminals (the ones that sell drugs and shoot people). go to any county/state jail and try to find a single H-1B visa holder there... its all home grown foundational Americans, raised on McDonalds and Coke
ezst 2y ago
Don't worry, Republicans are hard at work making the USA a pariah state and turning away the educated migrants who've been behind most of the innovation and research of past decades.
- vixen99 2y ago
  What, non-migrant Americans are not up to it?
  - unethical_ban 2y ago
    The US has benefited quite a bit by being a magnet for some of the most educated and driven people from around the world. This is not a controversial take. Now, legal resident noncitizens are being deported for having political views that oppose the ruling executive party. This is not normal in the US.
slt2021 2y ago
Immigration is a double edge sword. Sure, it brings highly educated people on the top end, but also less educated at the bottom curve. and on balance it changes demographics dramatically, that also shapes US policy in the future. It will be harder for USA to continue to be bloody warmongering machine with Military industrial complex dictating the policy and bombing countries and blowing up civilians around the world.
spaceman_2020 2y ago
Immigration isn’t risk free You get your birth rates up, but you also risk alienating your native born population and electing far right morons into office Jury’s out on whether a tfr of 1.0 of native born people is better than a tfr of 1.4 with immigrants

bboygravity 2y ago

US birthrate is 1.6, really bad, but by far less disasterous and permanent as China's 1.

throwaway2037 2y ago
I Googled: china fertility rate 2024 A couple of reliable sources say: 1.7 births per woman Where did you get 1?
- boelboel 2y ago
  No credible source says 1.7, the source that says this must be based on some kinda UN projection of 2010. Real TFR is probably around 1.0, in some parts of china it's below 0.7 (in the northeast it's around this number, in Macao it's 0.4). A lot of other countries are completely fucked as well and google pushes up UN projections from years ago (Like colombia UN projects the fertility rate to be higher in 2100 than it is according to the official numbers right now).