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> He can "do" essentially anything, per the supreme court. This is often said, but it's not true and it has nothing to do with anything that Trump is doing. W

> He can "do" essentially anything, per the supreme court. This is often said, but it's not true and it has nothing to do with anything that Trump is doing. What they ruled is that he can't be _prosecuted_ for most actions he takes as president. It obviously doesn't mean that the Supreme Court can't overrule executive actions, because they continued to do that after that ruling was made. And as much as Democrats complained about it at the time, it's probably the only thing keeping Biden from facing some kind of phony indictment right now. The _only_ thing that is allowing Trump to get away with this is Congress's inability to act, or passive acquiescence to what he's doing.

ceejayoz 2y ago
> It obviously doesn't mean that the Supreme Court can't overrule executive actions… What is their plan for enforcing said ruling?
- empath75 2y ago
  They have only _ever_ been able to enforce their rulings through the acquiescence of the other branches. There's no enforcement mechanism in the constitution, and neither is judicial review, for that matter. If the president wants to ignore the court, and congress doesn't do anything about it, there's nothing the courts can do, and that has always been true.
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    Always true, not always so problematic.
intermerda 2y ago
> This is often said, but it's not true and it has nothing to do with anything that Trump is doing This is not true. It has everything to do with what Trump is doing and has done. > What they ruled is that he can't be _prosecuted_ for most actions he takes as president. Again untrue. What they ruled is that he cannot be held criminally liable for any official actions. Unofficial actions are still up for debate. And you'd have to be extremely naive to wonder why they didn't give any guideline regarding distinction between official and unofficial actions. Or wonder why they refused to take up the exact same issue when asked by the prosecutor. > And as much as Democrats complained about it at the time, it's probably the only thing keeping Biden from facing some kind of phony indictment right now. This isn't true as well. If they wanted to, they can still go after Biden and claim that his acts were "unofficial". > The _only_ thing that is allowing Trump to get away with this is Congress's inability to act, or passive acquiescence to what he's doing. Definitely not the only thing, but one of the reasons why Congress doesn't act is because of violent backlash from the MAGA crowd. Like when credible death threats pressured the NC senator into voting for the SecDef - https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/cowardice-gop-faces-backlash-after-report-suggests-death-threat-may-have-swayed-vote/ar-AA1zspUO https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/cowardice-gop-faces-...

ceejayoz 2y ago

> It obviously doesn't mean that the Supreme Court can't overrule executive actions… What is their plan for enforcing said ruling?

empath75 2y ago
They have only _ever_ been able to enforce their rulings through the acquiescence of the other branches. There's no enforcement mechanism in the constitution, and neither is judicial review, for that matter. If the president wants to ignore the court, and congress doesn't do anything about it, there's nothing the courts can do, and that has always been true.
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  Always true, not always so problematic.

intermerda 2y ago

> This is often said, but it's not true and it has nothing to do with anything that Trump is doing This is not true. It has everything to do with what Trump is doing and has done. > What they ruled is that he can't be _prosecuted_ for most actions he takes as president. Again untrue. What they ruled is that he cannot be held criminally liable for any official actions. Unofficial actions are still up for debate. And you'd have to be extremely naive to wonder why they didn't give any guideline regarding distinction between official and unofficial actions. Or wonder why they refused to take up the exact same issue when asked by the prosecutor. > And as much as Democrats complained about it at the time, it's probably the only thing keeping Biden from facing some kind of phony indictment right now. This isn't true as well. If they wanted to, they can still go after Biden and claim that his acts were "unofficial". > The _only_ thing that is allowing Trump to get away with this is Congress's inability to act, or passive acquiescence to what he's doing. Definitely not the only thing, but one of the reasons why Congress doesn't act is because of violent backlash from the MAGA crowd. Like when credible death threats pressured the NC senator into voting for the SecDef - https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/cowardice-gop-faces-backlash-after-report-suggests-death-threat-may-have-swayed-vote/ar-AA1zspUO https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/cowardice-gop-faces-...