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The problem is that children aren't allowed to choose for themselves. Their parents are able to set their kids up for a life of pain and dental bills the parent

The problem is that children aren't allowed to choose for themselves. Their parents are able to set their kids up for a life of pain and dental bills the parents don't have to experience or pay for.

LinuxBender 1y ago
For completeness sake that could potentially also cut both ways. If it turns out that fluoride does lower academia potential then it would be occurring in the brain's most important development period. Once they are adults they would have to live with that artificial limitation. Though they do say ignorance is bliss. My personal preference would be to let the scientists, researchers and skeptics put on boxing gloves and in the mean time give the child a healthy diet, teach them to use a water-pick daily to avoid not only cavities but other potential issues related to diet and gum hygiene.
- roguecoder 1y ago
  None of these studies measured academic potential or outcomes.
  - LinuxBender 1y ago
    That's what I mean, if one day they actually study this correctly and have a raging epiphany then it would be too late for kids already subjected to fluoride whereas a healthy diet, good brushing with fluoride free toothpaste and using a water pick could mitigate cavities just fine among other things. Perhaps even mitigate the need for SSRI's, ADHD drugs, etc... but that's a much bigger topic.
JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> Their parents are able to set their kids up for a life of pain and dental bills This is true of a lot of parenting, and the case is more critical for vaccines than dental hygiene because cavities aren’t transmissible. (Within reason.) So yes, ideally the kids of the uninformed wouldn’t be born into dental debt. But that’s better than them having gone blind from measles or lame from polio. (Coldly, because those costs will be socialised.)
- roguecoder 1y ago
  Those aren't mutually exclusive. It is interesting how different these discussions are in countries where children's rights are part of the constitution. It's a quirk of America's history of treating various groups of people as chattel that we have kept that framework for children.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > Those aren't mutually exclusive Logically, no. Politically, I think so. (Counterargument: fluoride is a bulwark against the idiots. As long as they’re fighting fluoridation, they aren’t as focussed on vaccines. I don’t buy it, but it’s worth raising.) > a quirk of America's history of treating various groups of people as chattel that we have kept that framework for children It’s a quirk of the Constitution having been written in the 18th century. Children didn’t have rights in most of the world at that time.

The problem is that children aren't allowed to choose for themselves. Their parents are able to set their kids up for a life of pain and dental bills the parents don't have to experience or pay for.

LinuxBender 1y ago

For completeness sake that could potentially also cut both ways. If it turns out that fluoride does lower academia potential then it would be occurring in the brain's most important development period. Once they are adults they would have to live with that artificial limitation. Though they do say ignorance is bliss. My personal preference would be to let the scientists, researchers and skeptics put on boxing gloves and in the mean time give the child a healthy diet, teach them to use a water-pick daily to avoid not only cavities but other potential issues related to diet and gum hygiene.

roguecoder 1y ago
None of these studies measured academic potential or outcomes.
- LinuxBender 1y ago
  That's what I mean, if one day they actually study this correctly and have a raging epiphany then it would be too late for kids already subjected to fluoride whereas a healthy diet, good brushing with fluoride free toothpaste and using a water pick could mitigate cavities just fine among other things. Perhaps even mitigate the need for SSRI's, ADHD drugs, etc... but that's a much bigger topic.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> Their parents are able to set their kids up for a life of pain and dental bills This is true of a lot of parenting, and the case is more critical for vaccines than dental hygiene because cavities aren’t transmissible. (Within reason.) So yes, ideally the kids of the uninformed wouldn’t be born into dental debt. But that’s better than them having gone blind from measles or lame from polio. (Coldly, because those costs will be socialised.)

roguecoder 1y ago
Those aren't mutually exclusive. It is interesting how different these discussions are in countries where children's rights are part of the constitution. It's a quirk of America's history of treating various groups of people as chattel that we have kept that framework for children.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > Those aren't mutually exclusive Logically, no. Politically, I think so. (Counterargument: fluoride is a bulwark against the idiots. As long as they’re fighting fluoridation, they aren’t as focussed on vaccines. I don’t buy it, but it’s worth raising.) > a quirk of America's history of treating various groups of people as chattel that we have kept that framework for children It’s a quirk of the Constitution having been written in the 18th century. Children didn’t have rights in most of the world at that time.