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> Yeah, it's real easy when you employ an army of nation-state hackers to break into and steal R&D and tech from US Fortune 500 and aerospace companies to then

> Yeah, it's real easy when you employ an army of nation-state hackers to break into and steal R&D and tech from US Fortune 500 and aerospace companies to then use it internally and give to private industry in China. All of this is old, tired news. They're leading in many areas now, so at least in the fields where they lead and innovate, they couldn’t have "stolen" anything. If you would like to get more up to date: 1. "China has become a scientific superpower" https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2024/06/12/china-has-become-a-scientific-superpower https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2024/06/12/... 2. "China Is Rapidly Becoming a Leading Innovator in Advanced Industries" https://itif.org/publications/2024/09/16/china-is-rapidly-becoming-a-leading-innovator-in-advanced-industries/ https://itif.org/publications/2024/09/16/china-is-rapidly-be... 3. "How Innovative Is China in Nuclear Power?" https://itif.org/publications/2024/06/17/how-innovative-is-china-in-nuclear-power/ https://itif.org/publications/2024/06/17/how-innovative-is-c...

edm0nd 2y ago
Imagine that, Chinese hackers breaking into energy companies and stealing blueprints to nuclear power plants (2014). https://money.cnn.com/2014/05/19/technology/security/china-hackers/ https://money.cnn.com/2014/05/19/technology/security/china-h... >The kind of spying China is accused of can yield valuable information and give the country's businesses a much-needed boost. Westinghouse spent a significant amount of money designing the special pipes that are the defining feature of its AP1000 pressurized water reactor. Stealing those plans means that a Chinese nuclear plant builder might be able to skip costly research and development. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_espionage_in_the_United_States#Nuclear_espionage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_espionage_in_the_Unite... >In 2016, the U.S. Justice Department charged China General Nuclear Power Group (CGN) with stealing nuclear secrets from the United States.[36][37] The Guardian reported: "According to the US Department of Justice, the FBI has discovered evidence that China General Nuclear Power (CGN) has been engaged in a conspiracy to steal US nuclear secrets stretching back almost two decades. Both CGN and one of the corporation’s senior advisers, Szuhsiung Ho, have been charged with conspiring to help the Chinese government develop nuclear material in a manner that is in clear breach of US law."[38] Just two instances of many. They play the long con and have pretty much stolen from every industry to further their own.
- jyounker 2y ago
  Do you really think that the US doesn't engage in industrial espionage too?
  - elcritch 2y ago
    Certainly it does, but not nearly to the same degree (anymore).

edm0nd 2y ago

Imagine that, Chinese hackers breaking into energy companies and stealing blueprints to nuclear power plants (2014). https://money.cnn.com/2014/05/19/technology/security/china-hackers/ https://money.cnn.com/2014/05/19/technology/security/china-h... >The kind of spying China is accused of can yield valuable information and give the country's businesses a much-needed boost. Westinghouse spent a significant amount of money designing the special pipes that are the defining feature of its AP1000 pressurized water reactor. Stealing those plans means that a Chinese nuclear plant builder might be able to skip costly research and development. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_espionage_in_the_United_States#Nuclear_espionage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_espionage_in_the_Unite... >In 2016, the U.S. Justice Department charged China General Nuclear Power Group (CGN) with stealing nuclear secrets from the United States.[36][37] The Guardian reported: "According to the US Department of Justice, the FBI has discovered evidence that China General Nuclear Power (CGN) has been engaged in a conspiracy to steal US nuclear secrets stretching back almost two decades. Both CGN and one of the corporation’s senior advisers, Szuhsiung Ho, have been charged with conspiring to help the Chinese government develop nuclear material in a manner that is in clear breach of US law."[38] Just two instances of many. They play the long con and have pretty much stolen from every industry to further their own.

jyounker 2y ago
Do you really think that the US doesn't engage in industrial espionage too?
- elcritch 2y ago
  Certainly it does, but not nearly to the same degree (anymore).