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Interesting article. This is the key takeaway for me: "U.S. firms are at a further disadvantage in that their foreign competitors benefit from sustained govern
by acyou 2y ago
Interesting article. This is the key takeaway for me:
"U.S. firms are at a further disadvantage in that their foreign competitors benefit from sustained government incentives to invest in advanced industrial equipment."
True then, and true now. If you want to buy a machine, you are basically on your own, and machine financing isn't favorable, it's on the contrary somewhat predatory.
But this article was written prior to Haas really taking off in the 90s and 2000s, and I think Haas has been somewhat successful in selling into North America, if only for relatively cheap, low-quality, general-purpose machines.
And, if you extend the axis of that graph back past 1980, I think Germany, Japan and the UK were dominating advanced machine tool manufacture since their industrial revolutions. I am not convinced that USA was EVER a real leader in advanced machine tool manufacture, I think it was always traditionally imported. Correct me if I am wrong. Sure, the Americans made crappy low tech Bridgeport mills and engine lathes by the millions, then relied onto that technology for 100+ years (and are still trying to make it work). The Haas vertical mill is the new Bridgeport mill, it is 30 years behind state of the art, and American industry is still buying that en masse.
I think that the computer industry was successful enough in the 1990s, American policy makers were essentially OK with losing ground in the machine tool industry. Then the computer industry also got offshored.
But remember! The equipment and production lines were originally shipped offshore wholesale, the production lines can get shipped back, but American land, energy costs, wages, taxes and other input costs are too high to make it work (without protective tariffs).
- xenadu02 1y agoThis is true. A Chinese state bank will loan you a couple million to setup a factory with few questions asked. Loan repayment will be repeatedly deferred until you can find customers. The risk is comparatively low. As you noted here in the US getting financing to start a small business of any kind, let alone loans to invest in manufacturing is predatory or downright impossible. The US Government could easily setup a system like for student loans: money for factories and machines without having to jump through a billion hoops, defer payments until you can find some customers, and a department dedicated to retooling the factories that don't make it and handing them to someone else to try again. We'd need to include more investment in making automation profitable at smaller scales for those starting out but look at anything else (solar, computing) and you can see how scale could lower the cost. Instead I guess we'll use tariffs to start a trade war. FWIW it is unfair that countries like China impose tariffs on our products and restrict our ability to operate without a "local partner". But the current effort is ham-fisted at best.