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>The best candidates I've fielded have been Ukrainian, Russian and Chinese. These are countries well known for their tech sectors. Out of curiosity, what tech

>The best candidates I've fielded have been Ukrainian, Russian and Chinese. These are countries well known for their tech sectors. Out of curiosity, what tech sector does Ukraine have? I don't remember ever hearing of any large successful Ukrainian SW compony or unicorn.

mistrial9 2y ago
parts of remote Eastern Europe have produced excellent techs for decades.. they seem to deny it now but JetBrainz is from there, which is hugely successful.
- FirmwareBurner 2y ago
  >parts of remote Eastern Europe have produced excellent techs for decades.. Like wich exactly? Jetbrains is one, but it is from Czechia IIRC. I was asking what tech products has Ukrainian tech sector produced.
  - mistrial9 2y ago
    Leonid Radvinsky, Ruja Ignatova ?
    - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
      What part of "tech products of Ukraine" was unclear?
    - throwaway48476 2y ago
      An Israeli and a Bulgarian gypsy?
  - dkarl 2y ago
    I've worked with several excellent Ukrainian developers, but in each case they were working for consulting firms in other Eastern European countries.
  - oblio 2y ago
    > have produced excellent tech <<talent>> for decades.. There you go, hope it makes more sense for you.
    - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
      Understandable, thanks.
  - spitfire 2y ago
    Jetbrains is Russian. They relocated to Czech to wash their face.
    - mistrial9 2y ago
      I honestly do not know about this -- wasn't it based in Kiev at first?
      - deleted 2y ago
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      - spitfire 2y ago
        According to Wikipedia “ JetBrains, initially called IntelliJ Software,[9][10] was founded in 2000 in Prague by three Russian software developers:” My understanding is that they had the Czech business location with Russian developers so they had a clean public face. I’d believe you if you insisted on Kiev based too, I don’t know anything first hand.
- no_wizard 2y ago
  > JetBrainz Its Jetbrains, and they don't deny having workers there at all (the company itself If I recall correctly is located in the Czech Republic). In fact, they went through great expense to exfiltrate their Ukrainian employees and cut Russia off before everyone else got on the bandwagon (IE, before it was 'cool').
  - codedokode 2y ago
    I always thought that Jetbrains is 100% Russian? Why would foreigners choose "Kotlin" for the name of programming language?
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    - kgeist 2y ago
      IIRC JetBrains was nominally registered in Czech Republic but the majority of the engineers were located in St.Petersburg (and Kotlin is an island near St.Petersburg).
  - throwaway48476 2y ago
    Russia has been sanctioned since 2014 and that's when the tech exodus began.
pfdietz 2y ago
Grammarly?
oblio 2y ago
Guess what happens with any promising European startup (including Eastern European ones). It's acquired by American companies. Europe doesn't have a ton of large and high paying software companies, but it does have a ton of good developers. Romania probably has produced half a million software developers over the past 30 years (in a population of about 20 million), yet it basically doesn't have any large software companies. Probably the biggest you might have heard of are Bitdefender or in the past Softpedia. Or the alternative, foreign companies set up shop there to scoop up the local developers. Using Romania as an example, Bucharest has R&D centers with at least hundreds of developers each (some with thousands), for: Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Oracle, Adobe, SAP, UIPath, Huawei, Honeywell, IBM, Cognizant, Ericsson, Ubisoft, HP, etc.
camdenreslink 2y ago
I’ve started paying more attention and noticing a lot of the creators/maintainers of open source libraries are located in Eastern Europe.
eszed 2y ago
Spark / Readdle. Not a unicorn, but I've been a happy user for years. (Their response to a customer-service request a year or so ago was sobering. Along the lines of "yes, that's a bug we know about, but the developer who owns that feature lost his home in a missile strike last week. Once he's got housing and a new laptop he'll fix it." A week later he fixed it.)
arwineap 2y ago
Have you heard of grammarly? Or gitlab?
slezyr 2y ago
TeamDev, quite popular amongst large businesses with Chromium-based widgets for Java and .NET. JxBrowser: https://teamdev.com/jxbrowser/ https://teamdev.com/jxbrowser/ DotNetBrowser: https://teamdev.com/dotnetbrowser/ https://teamdev.com/dotnetbrowser/
kgeist 2y ago
I've always had the impression that Ukraine's tech sector is primarily focused on outsourcing or outstaffing for Western companies, so they typically don't own what they build (and it's very custom, boring enterprise stuff anyway). Russia, on the other hand, has traditionally focused more on building its own products and brands, both for its domestic market (Yandex, VK) and the global market (Karsperky, ABBYY, JetBrains). When a technology they create for themselves turns out to be pretty good, it often spills over to the West and gains global popularity - examples being ClickHouse (originally to support metrics collection at Yandex), nginx (originally a reverse proxy at Rambler), etc. I have a hard time remembering something similar coming out of Ukraine?.. I may be wrong, it's just my impression of it (reading Ukrainian/Russian job postings etc.)

mistrial9 2y ago

parts of remote Eastern Europe have produced excellent techs for decades.. they seem to deny it now but JetBrainz is from there, which is hugely successful.

FirmwareBurner 2y ago
>parts of remote Eastern Europe have produced excellent techs for decades.. Like wich exactly? Jetbrains is one, but it is from Czechia IIRC. I was asking what tech products has Ukrainian tech sector produced.
- mistrial9 2y ago
  Leonid Radvinsky, Ruja Ignatova ?
  - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
    What part of "tech products of Ukraine" was unclear?
  - throwaway48476 2y ago
    An Israeli and a Bulgarian gypsy?
- dkarl 2y ago
  I've worked with several excellent Ukrainian developers, but in each case they were working for consulting firms in other Eastern European countries.
- oblio 2y ago
  > have produced excellent tech <<talent>> for decades.. There you go, hope it makes more sense for you.
  - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
    Understandable, thanks.
- spitfire 2y ago
  Jetbrains is Russian. They relocated to Czech to wash their face.
  - mistrial9 2y ago
    I honestly do not know about this -- wasn't it based in Kiev at first?
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
    - spitfire 2y ago
      According to Wikipedia “ JetBrains, initially called IntelliJ Software,[9][10] was founded in 2000 in Prague by three Russian software developers:” My understanding is that they had the Czech business location with Russian developers so they had a clean public face. I’d believe you if you insisted on Kiev based too, I don’t know anything first hand.
no_wizard 2y ago
> JetBrainz Its Jetbrains, and they don't deny having workers there at all (the company itself If I recall correctly is located in the Czech Republic). In fact, they went through great expense to exfiltrate their Ukrainian employees and cut Russia off before everyone else got on the bandwagon (IE, before it was 'cool').
- codedokode 2y ago
  I always thought that Jetbrains is 100% Russian? Why would foreigners choose "Kotlin" for the name of programming language?
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - kgeist 2y ago
    IIRC JetBrains was nominally registered in Czech Republic but the majority of the engineers were located in St.Petersburg (and Kotlin is an island near St.Petersburg).
- throwaway48476 2y ago
  Russia has been sanctioned since 2014 and that's when the tech exodus began.

pfdietz 2y ago

Grammarly?

oblio 2y ago

Guess what happens with any promising European startup (including Eastern European ones). It's acquired by American companies. Europe doesn't have a ton of large and high paying software companies, but it does have a ton of good developers. Romania probably has produced half a million software developers over the past 30 years (in a population of about 20 million), yet it basically doesn't have any large software companies. Probably the biggest you might have heard of are Bitdefender or in the past Softpedia. Or the alternative, foreign companies set up shop there to scoop up the local developers. Using Romania as an example, Bucharest has R&D centers with at least hundreds of developers each (some with thousands), for: Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Oracle, Adobe, SAP, UIPath, Huawei, Honeywell, IBM, Cognizant, Ericsson, Ubisoft, HP, etc.

camdenreslink 2y ago

I’ve started paying more attention and noticing a lot of the creators/maintainers of open source libraries are located in Eastern Europe.

eszed 2y ago

Spark / Readdle. Not a unicorn, but I've been a happy user for years. (Their response to a customer-service request a year or so ago was sobering. Along the lines of "yes, that's a bug we know about, but the developer who owns that feature lost his home in a missile strike last week. Once he's got housing and a new laptop he'll fix it." A week later he fixed it.)

arwineap 2y ago

Have you heard of grammarly? Or gitlab?

slezyr 2y ago

TeamDev, quite popular amongst large businesses with Chromium-based widgets for Java and .NET. JxBrowser: https://teamdev.com/jxbrowser/ https://teamdev.com/jxbrowser/ DotNetBrowser: https://teamdev.com/dotnetbrowser/ https://teamdev.com/dotnetbrowser/

kgeist 2y ago

I've always had the impression that Ukraine's tech sector is primarily focused on outsourcing or outstaffing for Western companies, so they typically don't own what they build (and it's very custom, boring enterprise stuff anyway). Russia, on the other hand, has traditionally focused more on building its own products and brands, both for its domestic market (Yandex, VK) and the global market (Karsperky, ABBYY, JetBrains). When a technology they create for themselves turns out to be pretty good, it often spills over to the West and gains global popularity - examples being ClickHouse (originally to support metrics collection at Yandex), nginx (originally a reverse proxy at Rambler), etc. I have a hard time remembering something similar coming out of Ukraine?.. I may be wrong, it's just my impression of it (reading Ukrainian/Russian job postings etc.)