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Not doing what China does is a massive gamble too - Trump and America will bully for more and will lie while doing it. Yes, conservatives will blame everyone b

by watwut 2y ago

Not doing what China does is a massive gamble too - Trump and America will bully for more and will lie while doing it. Yes, conservatives will blame everyone but the perpetrators inckuding themselves. But, it does not matter, because if they will get what they want, they will come back for more and cause more harm. Nice work blaming the victims and trying to push them into passive acceptance of what is done by perpetrators. In reality, when you bully, others have choice between letting it or retaliating. And letting it happen has huge risks. Everyone else is opening themselves to more bullying ... but that is better for Trump, so you do not care about those risks.

busyant 2y ago
> Nice work blaming the victims and trying to push them into passive acceptance of what is done by perpetrators I don't think the person you were responding to was necessarily blaming the victims. S/he's just pointing out that China imposing tariffs are self-inflicted pain just like the US imposing tariffs--tariffs cause some amount of self-harm. Even The Economist said the most 'rational' response from Europe was not to impose counter-tariffs, but simply continue on as best they could without them and let the majority of the pain fall on the US. But The Economist (and the person you responded to) also acknowledge that there are other factors at play beyond economics (e.g., national pride). National pride is part of what got Trump elected and it's something that China has to incorporate into its decision making.
- watwut 2y ago
  The person I responded to did not cared about China situation or self-harm - they analyzed it only in terms of how America responds. Note that the risk of "and America will attack us more and more" was not present at all. The risks were expressed only in terms of "China will not succeed in fixing America". Which, I really do not think is China goal at all anyway. > Even The Economist said the most 'rational' response from Europe was not to impose counter-tariffs, but simply continue on as best they could without them and let the majority of the pain fall on the US. Isn't it always the pattern with Trump and conservatives in general? The most rational person is supposed to let them bully you without response. Again and again and it never works. Their aggression and harm they cause is just going up with each cycle. And it is because what is conventionally called "rational" in this context amounts to "be nice submissive enabler else their actions are your fault". American tariffs are made in fairly dumb way. They still harm Europe, China and everyone else great deal. Surely it is possible to create reciprocal tariffs that will actually harm America more. Even America could have done tariffs in smarter way. And the sooner Trump supporters are actually harmed, the sooner harm to Europe stops.
  - busyant 2y ago
    > Isn't it always the pattern with Trump and conservatives in general? The most rational person is supposed to let them bully you without response. Again and again and it never works. In case I wasn't clear before ... your response to me is preaching to the choir.

by watwut 2y ago

busyant 2y ago

> Nice work blaming the victims and trying to push them into passive acceptance of what is done by perpetrators I don't think the person you were responding to was necessarily blaming the victims. S/he's just pointing out that China imposing tariffs are self-inflicted pain just like the US imposing tariffs--tariffs cause some amount of self-harm. Even The Economist said the most 'rational' response from Europe was not to impose counter-tariffs, but simply continue on as best they could without them and let the majority of the pain fall on the US. But The Economist (and the person you responded to) also acknowledge that there are other factors at play beyond economics (e.g., national pride). National pride is part of what got Trump elected and it's something that China has to incorporate into its decision making.

watwut 2y ago
The person I responded to did not cared about China situation or self-harm - they analyzed it only in terms of how America responds. Note that the risk of "and America will attack us more and more" was not present at all. The risks were expressed only in terms of "China will not succeed in fixing America". Which, I really do not think is China goal at all anyway. > Even The Economist said the most 'rational' response from Europe was not to impose counter-tariffs, but simply continue on as best they could without them and let the majority of the pain fall on the US. Isn't it always the pattern with Trump and conservatives in general? The most rational person is supposed to let them bully you without response. Again and again and it never works. Their aggression and harm they cause is just going up with each cycle. And it is because what is conventionally called "rational" in this context amounts to "be nice submissive enabler else their actions are your fault". American tariffs are made in fairly dumb way. They still harm Europe, China and everyone else great deal. Surely it is possible to create reciprocal tariffs that will actually harm America more. Even America could have done tariffs in smarter way. And the sooner Trump supporters are actually harmed, the sooner harm to Europe stops.
- busyant 2y ago
  > Isn't it always the pattern with Trump and conservatives in general? The most rational person is supposed to let them bully you without response. Again and again and it never works. In case I wasn't clear before ... your response to me is preaching to the choir.