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Nothing like swinging between extremes: We go from DEI & cancel culture; to hiding research and pretending

acdha 2y ago
“Cancel culture” was a marketing term by people who were simultaneously trying to ban books and restrict speech, we shouldn’t take it at face value when all it ever meant was that right-wing speakers should be free from social consequences.
- nobodyandproud 2y ago
  And this reaction is different how, exactly?
  - acdha 2y ago
    Banning books or attacking their authors livelihood makes it harder for people to be exposed to their ideas. Criticism does not.
    - nobodyandproud 2y ago
      Okay, but “cancel culture” included people losing their livelihoods. This wasn’t just a marketing term nor just criticism. Both have the outcome of muzzling speech that one doesn’t like. Neither are okay.
      - acdha 2y ago
        Which specific people? If you look at most of the cases people mention, the person in question either did not lose their livelihood or did so instead due to serious misconduct. This is why it’s important to define the term so you’re not inadvertently contributing to some sexual harassers’ legal strategy.
        nobodyandproud 2y ago
        If your definition and mine doesn’t agree, for loss of livelihood or serious misconduct then would agree there’s no point in discussing further? But three that comes to mind are Brendan Eich: Mozilla is far poorer for what happened. Peter Vlaming is another https://adfmedialegalfiles.blob.core.windows.net/files/VlamingDecision.pdf https://adfmedialegalfiles.blob.core.windows.net/files/Vlami... Finally, Katie Herzog https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/02/style/what-is-cancel-culture.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/02/style/what-is-cancel-cult...
        throwawayqqq11 2y ago
        Is your anecdotal attack on "cancel culture" more then just biased and veiled defense of literature censorship? Why would a rational being turn away from the OP and respond with such? I for one can see similarities between the canceling and the censoring mob.
        nobodyandproud 2y ago
        I’d say it’s your own bias that sees it as an attack on cancel culture, as opposed to a commentary on the sad state of extremism and intolerance that leads us into hard-left then hard-right swings (and back and forth).

“Cancel culture” was a marketing term by people who were simultaneously trying to ban books and restrict speech, we shouldn’t take it at face value when all it ever meant was that right-wing speakers should be free from social consequences.

nobodyandproud 2y ago
And this reaction is different how, exactly?
- acdha 2y ago
  Banning books or attacking their authors livelihood makes it harder for people to be exposed to their ideas. Criticism does not.
  - nobodyandproud 2y ago
    Okay, but “cancel culture” included people losing their livelihoods. This wasn’t just a marketing term nor just criticism. Both have the outcome of muzzling speech that one doesn’t like. Neither are okay.
    - acdha 2y ago
      Which specific people? If you look at most of the cases people mention, the person in question either did not lose their livelihood or did so instead due to serious misconduct. This is why it’s important to define the term so you’re not inadvertently contributing to some sexual harassers’ legal strategy.
      - nobodyandproud 2y ago
        If your definition and mine doesn’t agree, for loss of livelihood or serious misconduct then would agree there’s no point in discussing further? But three that comes to mind are Brendan Eich: Mozilla is far poorer for what happened. Peter Vlaming is another https://adfmedialegalfiles.blob.core.windows.net/files/VlamingDecision.pdf https://adfmedialegalfiles.blob.core.windows.net/files/Vlami... Finally, Katie Herzog https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/02/style/what-is-cancel-culture.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/02/style/what-is-cancel-cult...
        throwawayqqq11 2y ago
        Is your anecdotal attack on "cancel culture" more then just biased and veiled defense of literature censorship? Why would a rational being turn away from the OP and respond with such? I for one can see similarities between the canceling and the censoring mob.
        nobodyandproud 2y ago
        I’d say it’s your own bias that sees it as an attack on cancel culture, as opposed to a commentary on the sad state of extremism and intolerance that leads us into hard-left then hard-right swings (and back and forth).