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Shitting on less developed areas of the world is one of Hacker News's favorite guilty pleasures. Let me try to assist. Maternal mortality rate in Iran in 2020:

Shitting on less developed areas of the world is one of Hacker News's favorite guilty pleasures. Let me try to assist. Maternal mortality rate in Iran in 2020: 22/100,000 live births [1] Maternal mortality rate in Mississippi in 2018-2022: 39.1/100,000 live births [2] Infant mortality rate in Iran in 2022: 10.35/1,000 live births [3] Infant mortality rate in Mississippi in 2022: 9.11/1,000 live births [4] [1] https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/9789240068759 https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/9789240068759 [2] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/maternal-mortality/data.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/maternal-mortality/data.htm [3] https://www.who.int/data/gho/indicator-metadata-registry/imr-details/1 https://www.who.int/data/gho/indicator-metadata-registry/imr... [4] https://www.cdc.gov/maternal-infant-health/infant-mortality/ https://www.cdc.gov/maternal-infant-health/infant-mortality/

potato3732842 1y ago
Nitpick: You need to account for abortion access when comparing infant mortality across jurisdictions.
- Tepix 1y ago
  No, you don't.
  - potato3732842 1y ago
    In jurisdictions with better access to abortion people choose to abort the kind of "doesn't stand a chance" pregnancies that people in jurisdictions who can't access abortion wind up giving birth to only for them to die shortly thereafter.
    - fakedang 1y ago
      Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't both jurisdictions equally averse to abortion? Sure, you'd find a few exceptions here and there but both countries have banned abortion? Both places have banned abortion where the mother's life may be in danger. Iran additionally allows abortions in cases where the fetus suffers from a major medical condition (genetic defects like Down's Syndrome don't count) which doesn't let the future child live a viable life.
      - potato3732842 1y ago
        The stats are from 2018-2022. Mississippi's laws only changed to roughly mirror Iran's in mid 2022 following the supreme court ruling.
CharlieDigital 1y ago
The West has made Iran out to be some backwater bogeyman when it is actually quite developed and in some areas progressive compared to our other allies in the region. Rick Steve's Iran was a great watch that everyone should check out.
- swat535 1y ago
  There's a lot of misunderstanding in the West about Iranians, or as we call ourselves "Persians." (I suppose to avoid the negative "Islamic" connotation..) Despite how the country is portrayed, the people themselves tend to be pro Western, educated, and fairly liberal. So the unfortunate reality is that the government is highly repressive. It tightly controls communication and enforces a strict theocratic system that doesn’t reflect the will of much of the population. If you're curious about what Iranian society is all about, look at the photos before the 1979 revolution. That change wasn't long ago, it was just a generation back. My parents lived through it. Many from that time believed they were rising up for democracy, not realizing what would replace the Shah was something even more authoritarian. My own father admits they were misled and now actively curses the regime and himself.. the peak being burning the US embassy because they were told it's a foreign spy command center.. What's especially tragic is that Iran today has a very young population, many of whom strongly oppose the current regime. But peaceful change feels unlikely, look up what happened anytime people took to the streets. And if the government were to collapse without a clear path forward, there's a real risk of something even worse filling the vacuum. That said, there are reasons for hope. During the most recent uprising, the "Woman, Life, Freedom" movement, women led the charge, and the government was forced to back down somewhat after international outcry. Since then, many women have continued to defy mandatory hijab laws, walking around without head coverings despite the real risks of arrest or violence. It’s incredibly brave, and it speaks to a deep, ongoing resistance that’s hard to suppress: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woman,_Life,_Freedom_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woman,_Life,_Freedom_movement
  - guappa 1y ago
    > it's a foreign spy command center.. I mean… it is
IAmBroom 1y ago
Boasting that Iran has similar birth-related mortality rates to Mississippi is ... I don't know what you're trying to prove, actually. Mississippi is one of the worst states in the US for maternity health; the US is one of the worst countries in the developed world for the same. The comment you're responding to implied that Mississippi was comparable to Iran, and you rebutted that... the data supports that claim.

potato3732842 1y ago

Nitpick: You need to account for abortion access when comparing infant mortality across jurisdictions.

Tepix 1y ago
No, you don't.
- potato3732842 1y ago
  In jurisdictions with better access to abortion people choose to abort the kind of "doesn't stand a chance" pregnancies that people in jurisdictions who can't access abortion wind up giving birth to only for them to die shortly thereafter.
  - fakedang 1y ago
    Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't both jurisdictions equally averse to abortion? Sure, you'd find a few exceptions here and there but both countries have banned abortion? Both places have banned abortion where the mother's life may be in danger. Iran additionally allows abortions in cases where the fetus suffers from a major medical condition (genetic defects like Down's Syndrome don't count) which doesn't let the future child live a viable life.
    - potato3732842 1y ago
      The stats are from 2018-2022. Mississippi's laws only changed to roughly mirror Iran's in mid 2022 following the supreme court ruling.

CharlieDigital 1y ago

The West has made Iran out to be some backwater bogeyman when it is actually quite developed and in some areas progressive compared to our other allies in the region. Rick Steve's Iran was a great watch that everyone should check out.

swat535 1y ago
There's a lot of misunderstanding in the West about Iranians, or as we call ourselves "Persians." (I suppose to avoid the negative "Islamic" connotation..) Despite how the country is portrayed, the people themselves tend to be pro Western, educated, and fairly liberal. So the unfortunate reality is that the government is highly repressive. It tightly controls communication and enforces a strict theocratic system that doesn’t reflect the will of much of the population. If you're curious about what Iranian society is all about, look at the photos before the 1979 revolution. That change wasn't long ago, it was just a generation back. My parents lived through it. Many from that time believed they were rising up for democracy, not realizing what would replace the Shah was something even more authoritarian. My own father admits they were misled and now actively curses the regime and himself.. the peak being burning the US embassy because they were told it's a foreign spy command center.. What's especially tragic is that Iran today has a very young population, many of whom strongly oppose the current regime. But peaceful change feels unlikely, look up what happened anytime people took to the streets. And if the government were to collapse without a clear path forward, there's a real risk of something even worse filling the vacuum. That said, there are reasons for hope. During the most recent uprising, the "Woman, Life, Freedom" movement, women led the charge, and the government was forced to back down somewhat after international outcry. Since then, many women have continued to defy mandatory hijab laws, walking around without head coverings despite the real risks of arrest or violence. It’s incredibly brave, and it speaks to a deep, ongoing resistance that’s hard to suppress: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woman,_Life,_Freedom_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woman,_Life,_Freedom_movement
- guappa 1y ago
  > it's a foreign spy command center.. I mean… it is

IAmBroom 1y ago

Boasting that Iran has similar birth-related mortality rates to Mississippi is ... I don't know what you're trying to prove, actually. Mississippi is one of the worst states in the US for maternity health; the US is one of the worst countries in the developed world for the same. The comment you're responding to implied that Mississippi was comparable to Iran, and you rebutted that... the data supports that claim.