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You do see how discriminatory your statement is right? Replace “wearing a suit” with literally anything else unrelated to programming skills. Wearing a dress.

You do see how discriminatory your statement is right? Replace “wearing a suit” with literally anything else unrelated to programming skills. Wearing a dress. Having a particular speech pattern. Being old. As soon as you start judging people for anything other than their performance you fucked up. People’s personality comes through in the interview process. By the end of an hour working with someone you should have a pretty good idea of what working with them is like, suit or no suit.

Kirby64 2y ago
No, I don't. Like I said at the end: > I’m not advocating for it being an absolute state, but you certainly have to give some consideration to the fact that dressing up far more than is needed implies you don’t culturally understand. It’s as simple as that. I'm not saying you immediately throw a candidate out for wearing a suit. It's entirely possible I'm wrong and my mind can be changed by their performance, but it is something that would make me take a closer look. I'll give you another example I experienced recently: a candidate who would not stop drumming their fingers on the table throughout the interview. Is that specifically related to their performance? No, not really. Is it annoying, a bit disrespectful, and shows a lack of restraint? Yeah, it is. This candidate had other flaws that made them disqualifying, but their finger drumming didn't help them at all.
- amrocha 2y ago
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  - tomhow 2y ago
    Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - amrocha 2y ago
      I understand and respect your decision to moderate my comment, and I’ll be more careful going forward. But I would like to point out that a rule that allows someone to openly state they discriminate during interviews but forbids a strong reaction to that statement might require some examination.
      - Kirby64 2y ago
        Respectfully, what I’m describing is not discrimination in the hiring sense. Discrimination is unfair treatment related to immutable characteristics about a person such as race, age, gender, etc. You could just as easily argue that people “discriminate” against candidates by making them do leetcode, when leetcode is unrelated to performance at the job. Leetcode is a performance some people look at during interviews, just like how you socially meld in an interview is a performance people look at during interviews.
        ViktorRay 2y ago
        Maybe the person you interviewed was on the autistic spectrum (or had ADHD) and the finger drumming was a form of stimming? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stimming https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stimming I have no idea since I wasn’t there when you interviewed that person but it is something that came to mind.
      - tomhow 2y ago
        You’re welcome to disagree with people and present your opposing view, but we just need you to do so without escalating into hostility and personal insults. This site exists to be a place of curious conversation, not a battleground.

Kirby64 2y ago

No, I don't. Like I said at the end: > I’m not advocating for it being an absolute state, but you certainly have to give some consideration to the fact that dressing up far more than is needed implies you don’t culturally understand. It’s as simple as that. I'm not saying you immediately throw a candidate out for wearing a suit. It's entirely possible I'm wrong and my mind can be changed by their performance, but it is something that would make me take a closer look. I'll give you another example I experienced recently: a candidate who would not stop drumming their fingers on the table throughout the interview. Is that specifically related to their performance? No, not really. Is it annoying, a bit disrespectful, and shows a lack of restraint? Yeah, it is. This candidate had other flaws that made them disqualifying, but their finger drumming didn't help them at all.

amrocha 2y ago
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- tomhow 2y ago
  Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - amrocha 2y ago
    I understand and respect your decision to moderate my comment, and I’ll be more careful going forward. But I would like to point out that a rule that allows someone to openly state they discriminate during interviews but forbids a strong reaction to that statement might require some examination.
    - Kirby64 2y ago
      Respectfully, what I’m describing is not discrimination in the hiring sense. Discrimination is unfair treatment related to immutable characteristics about a person such as race, age, gender, etc. You could just as easily argue that people “discriminate” against candidates by making them do leetcode, when leetcode is unrelated to performance at the job. Leetcode is a performance some people look at during interviews, just like how you socially meld in an interview is a performance people look at during interviews.
      - ViktorRay 2y ago
        Maybe the person you interviewed was on the autistic spectrum (or had ADHD) and the finger drumming was a form of stimming? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stimming https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stimming I have no idea since I wasn’t there when you interviewed that person but it is something that came to mind.
    - tomhow 2y ago
      You’re welcome to disagree with people and present your opposing view, but we just need you to do so without escalating into hostility and personal insults. This site exists to be a place of curious conversation, not a battleground.