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Cyc is going great, according to the web site. "The Next Generation of Enterprise AI"[1] Lenat himself died in 2023. Despite this, he is listed as the only mem

Cyc is going great, according to the web site. "The Next Generation of Enterprise AI"[1] Lenat himself died in 2023. Despite this, he is listed as the only member of the "leadership team".[2] [1] https://cyc.com/ https://cyc.com/ [2] https://cyc.com/leadership-team/ https://cyc.com/leadership-team/

vitiral 2y ago
Maybe Cyc was a success and Lenat lives on as it's consciousness?
- jibal 2y ago
  Dead is dead. And even if Cyc had consciousness--which it doesn't--it certainly wouldn't have his consciousness.
  - Cthulhu_ 2y ago
    It's an interesting thought experiment / philosophy / sci fi story premise though; if he spent all those years encoding his own thought processes and decision making into a program, would he have been able to create a convincing facsimile of himself and his "consciousness"? A turing test with a chatbot based on decades of self-reflection.
    - Philpax 2y ago
      The 2014 film Transcendence touches upon this, but I can't recommend watching it. It's surface level and the rest of the film is mediocre.
    - mewse-hn 2y ago
      Stephenson's "Fall; or, Dodge in Hell" deals with the hypothetical digitization of human minds. It has some interesting ideas like some of the synthetic minds deciding to wilfully become a hivemind
    - jibal 2y ago
      You're completely moving the goalposts. And I don't find it interesting at all (I mean, I find the general subject interesting and have delved into it for decades but I don't find this sort of casual question based on no such research, trying to connect it to the wrong thing [Cyc] at all interesting) ... would he have been able to create a convincing facsimile? If and only if the encoding method were effective--that's a tautology. Was Lenat's methodology effective to that end? No, of course not, and that wasn't its intent. "based on decades of self-reflection" Daniel Dennett--sadly lost to us--explained in detail why "self-reflection" is not even remotely effective to this end ... our internal processes are almost entirely inaccessible to us.
curiousObject 2y ago
A sad epitaph I’m very glad he tried, even if he only proved that it was impossible
- jibal 2y ago
  He didn't prove any such thing.
  - mycall 2y ago
    Especially if you consider using a SOTA LLM to recreate and expand ResearchCyc (for fun and not profit)

vitiral 2y ago

Maybe Cyc was a success and Lenat lives on as it's consciousness?

jibal 2y ago
Dead is dead. And even if Cyc had consciousness--which it doesn't--it certainly wouldn't have his consciousness.
- Cthulhu_ 2y ago
  It's an interesting thought experiment / philosophy / sci fi story premise though; if he spent all those years encoding his own thought processes and decision making into a program, would he have been able to create a convincing facsimile of himself and his "consciousness"? A turing test with a chatbot based on decades of self-reflection.
  - Philpax 2y ago
    The 2014 film Transcendence touches upon this, but I can't recommend watching it. It's surface level and the rest of the film is mediocre.
  - mewse-hn 2y ago
    Stephenson's "Fall; or, Dodge in Hell" deals with the hypothetical digitization of human minds. It has some interesting ideas like some of the synthetic minds deciding to wilfully become a hivemind
  - jibal 2y ago
    You're completely moving the goalposts. And I don't find it interesting at all (I mean, I find the general subject interesting and have delved into it for decades but I don't find this sort of casual question based on no such research, trying to connect it to the wrong thing [Cyc] at all interesting) ... would he have been able to create a convincing facsimile? If and only if the encoding method were effective--that's a tautology. Was Lenat's methodology effective to that end? No, of course not, and that wasn't its intent. "based on decades of self-reflection" Daniel Dennett--sadly lost to us--explained in detail why "self-reflection" is not even remotely effective to this end ... our internal processes are almost entirely inaccessible to us.

curiousObject 2y ago

A sad epitaph I’m very glad he tried, even if he only proved that it was impossible

jibal 2y ago
He didn't prove any such thing.
- mycall 2y ago
  Especially if you consider using a SOTA LLM to recreate and expand ResearchCyc (for fun and not profit)