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It's not a mystery. The US and EU have year on year been decreasing emissions for fifteen ish years now (yes, including during trump I, even if you account for
by throwawaymaths 2y ago
It's not a mystery. The US and EU have year on year been decreasing emissions for fifteen ish years now (yes, including during trump I, even if you account for the COVID drop).
- lm28469 2y agoThat's a cool story you can tell your kids before bed but the reality is that when you include imports the US/EU emissions are stagnating or going up. It's easy not to pollute when you import most of your things from abroad. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/imported-or-exported-co-emissions-per-capita https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/imported-or-exported-co-e...
- ZeroGravitas 2y agoThat graph measures whether they are importing or not. So it's not the emissions that are stagnant, it's the per capita imports of emissions which are roughly flat. They have a separate graph which reflects "consumption" based emissions: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/consumption-co2-per-capita?tab=chart https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/consumption-co2-per-capit...
- zahlman 2y agoBy "imports of emissions" here, are we referring to the emissions involved in the creation of the imported goods? Or just what exactly?
- throwawaymaths 2y agoIt's an estimate, but AIUI yes.
- throwawaymaths 2y agoThose data are moment in time. See one of the child posts for what you're talking about -- and in terms of trade corrected emissions the US and Europe turned the corner even earlier.