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For more breathless headlines touting a green transition as emissions continue to mysteriously increase at a record pace?

throwawaymaths 1y ago
It's not a mystery. The US and EU have year on year been decreasing emissions for fifteen ish years now (yes, including during trump I, even if you account for the COVID drop).
- lm28469 1y ago
  That's a cool story you can tell your kids before bed but the reality is that when you include imports the US/EU emissions are stagnating or going up. It's easy not to pollute when you import most of your things from abroad. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/imported-or-exported-co-emissions-per-capita https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/imported-or-exported-co-e...
  - ZeroGravitas 1y ago
    That graph measures whether they are importing or not. So it's not the emissions that are stagnant, it's the per capita imports of emissions which are roughly flat. They have a separate graph which reflects "consumption" based emissions: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/consumption-co2-per-capita?tab=chart https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/consumption-co2-per-capit...
    - zahlman 1y ago
      By "imports of emissions" here, are we referring to the emissions involved in the creation of the imported goods? Or just what exactly?
      - throwawaymaths 1y ago
        It's an estimate, but AIUI yes.
  - throwawaymaths 1y ago
    Those data are moment in time. See one of the child posts for what you're talking about -- and in terms of trade corrected emissions the US and Europe turned the corner even earlier.
lm28469 1y ago
Exactly, this graph sums it up: https://climatanthropocene.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/courbe2.jpg?w=1024 https://climatanthropocene.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/co... We talk more about it but in the facts nothing changes, if anything it's accelerating
- wongarsu 1y ago
  This graph might be more relevant: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-co-emissions-by-region https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-co-emissions-by-re... The countries most talking about net-zero are indeed reducing their emissions. China is meanwhile trying to catch up to the standard of living of their Western counterparts, driving up emissions massively (while still having great per-capita values, there are just a lot of Chinese that previously lived on basically nothing)
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throwawaymaths 1y ago

It's not a mystery. The US and EU have year on year been decreasing emissions for fifteen ish years now (yes, including during trump I, even if you account for the COVID drop).

lm28469 1y ago
That's a cool story you can tell your kids before bed but the reality is that when you include imports the US/EU emissions are stagnating or going up. It's easy not to pollute when you import most of your things from abroad. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/imported-or-exported-co-emissions-per-capita https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/imported-or-exported-co-e...
- ZeroGravitas 1y ago
  That graph measures whether they are importing or not. So it's not the emissions that are stagnant, it's the per capita imports of emissions which are roughly flat. They have a separate graph which reflects "consumption" based emissions: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/consumption-co2-per-capita?tab=chart https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/consumption-co2-per-capit...
  - zahlman 1y ago
    By "imports of emissions" here, are we referring to the emissions involved in the creation of the imported goods? Or just what exactly?
    - throwawaymaths 1y ago
      It's an estimate, but AIUI yes.
- throwawaymaths 1y ago
  Those data are moment in time. See one of the child posts for what you're talking about -- and in terms of trade corrected emissions the US and Europe turned the corner even earlier.

lm28469 1y ago

Exactly, this graph sums it up: https://climatanthropocene.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/courbe2.jpg?w=1024 https://climatanthropocene.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/co... We talk more about it but in the facts nothing changes, if anything it's accelerating

wongarsu 1y ago
This graph might be more relevant: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-co-emissions-by-region https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-co-emissions-by-re... The countries most talking about net-zero are indeed reducing their emissions. China is meanwhile trying to catch up to the standard of living of their Western counterparts, driving up emissions massively (while still having great per-capita values, there are just a lot of Chinese that previously lived on basically nothing)

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