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tech companies competing over something that is losing them money is the most bizarre spectacle yet.
by seydor 2y ago
tech companies competing over something that is losing them money is the most bizarre spectacle yet.
- abc-1 2y agoIs it really losing them money if investors throw fistfuls of cash at them for it
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- FL33TW00D 2y agoPlot big tech stock valuations with markers for successful OS model releases.
- fullshark 2y agoCome on, you can do the critical thinking here to understand why these companies would want the best in class (open/closed) weight LLMs.
- seydor 2y agothen why would they cheat?
- fullshark 2y agoWell we'll see if they suffer consequences of this and they cheated too hard, but being perceived as best in class is arguably worth even more than being the best in class, especially if differences in performance are hard to perceive anecdotally. The goal is long term control over a technology's marketshare, as winner take all dynamics are in play here.
- baby 2y agothey're all cheating, see grok
- nomel 2y agoAre you referring to this [1]? > Critics have pointed out that xAI’s approach involves running Grok 3 multiple times and cherry-picking the best output while comparing it against single runs of competitor models. [1] https://medium.com/@cognidownunder/the-hype-machine-gpt-4-5-vs-grok-3-and-the-reality-behind-ai-benchmark-wars-8f287c56753c https://medium.com/@cognidownunder/the-hype-machine-gpt-4-5-...
- SubiculumCode 2y agoI didn't see evidence of cheating in the article. Having a slightly differently tuned version of 4 is not the most dastardly thing that can be done. Everything else is insinuation.
- bko 2y agoI think Meta sees AI and VR/AR as a platform. They got left behind on the mobile platform and forever have to contend with Apple semi-monopoly. They have no control and little influence over the ecosystem. It's an existential threat to them. They have vowed not to make that mistake again so are pushing for an open future that won't be dominated by a few companies that could arbitrarily hurt Meta's business. That's the stated rationale at least and I think it more or less makes sense
- esafak 2y agoThey stated that?
- fullshark 2y agoMakes sense except for the fact that they leaked the llama weights by accident and needed to reverse engineer that explanation.
- jsheard 2y agoI wouldn't call what Meta is doing with VR/AR an "open future", it's pretty much the exact same playbook that Google and Apple used for their platforms. The only difference is Meta gets to be the landlord this time.
- alex1138 2y agoI'm in favor of whatever semi-monopoly enables fine grained permissions so Facebook can't en masse slurp Whatsapp (antitrust?) contacts
- asveikau 2y agoFeels very late 90s. The old joke is they're losing money on every sale but they'll make up for it in volume.
- dfedbeef 2y agochef kiss perfect
- diggan 2y agoBorderline conspiracy theory with an ounce of truth: None of the models Meta put out are actually open source (by any measure), and everyone who are redistributing Llama models or any derivatives, or use Llama models for their business, are on the hook of getting sued in the future based on the terms and conditions people been explicitly/implicitly agreeing to when they use/redistribute these models. If you start depending on these Llama models which have unfavorable proprietary terms today but Meta don't act on them, doesn't mean they won't act on it in the future. Maybe this has all been a play to get people into this position, so Meta can in the future start charging for them or something else.
- recursive 2y agoYou never go full Oracle.
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- timewizard 2y agoThis is a signal that the sector is heavily monopolized. This has happened many times before in US history.
- tananaev 2y agoThe reason is simple. All tech companies have very high valuations. They have to sell investors a dream to justify that valuation. They have to convince people that they have the next big thing around the corner.
- roughly 2y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar_auction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar_auction