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Yeah, I'm not sure this is following the HN guidelines, judging by the parts about IP Rights... > Except as expressly authorized by Y Combinator, you agree not

Yeah, I'm not sure this is following the HN guidelines, judging by the parts about IP Rights... > Except as expressly authorized by Y Combinator, you agree not to modify, copy, frame, scrape, [...] or create derivative works based on the Site or the Site Content, in whole or in part, [...]. In connection with your use of the Site you will not engage in or use any data mining, robots, scraping or similar data gathering or extraction methods Though I guess this is a tool to produce such content, rather than the author doing this themselves, its ok?

cratermoon 1y ago
The generative AI industry long ago demonstrated that it doesn't think things like "copyright", "Terms of Service" or "laws" apply.
- TeMPOraL 1y ago
  "Terms of Service" are a contractual manner, and in most situations are just treated as suggestions. Whether or not the companies stand in violation of copyright is still being determined. I fail to see what laws they otherwise think don't apply. On the contrary, it seems there's a lot of people on the Internet who think copyright means something different than it actually does, and therefore justifies them their Dog in the Manger attitude.
jeffhuys 1y ago
I'm not really sure actually. But to be honest, I'd rather see these tools be public instead of private; you can't really block this kind of thing anyway. Better have it out in the open where others can benefit/learn... This whole thing is a Pandora's box. We can regulate, forbid, anything, but we all already have models downloaded locally (you did too, right..?). So unless there's some client-side "computer says no" we will never be able to block this anymore.
- voidUpdate 1y ago
  No, I don't have any models downloaded locally. I've tried a couple of models in the past and found they aren't that useful for me
  - simonw 1y ago
    How long ago? The local models were mostly unusably weak until about six months ago when they suddenly got useful: Qwen Coder 2.5, Llama 3.3 70B, Mistral Small 3 and Gemma 3 have all really impressed me on a 64GB Mac and I expect Mistral Small 3 would work in 32GB. Meanwhile this years's Gemini Pro 2.5, Claude 3.7 Sonnet and the most recent GPT-4o API models (or o3-mini high for coding) are significantly better than what we were using last year.
    - voidUpdate 1y ago
      I don't know, 5-6 months ago? I used them, found them acceptable at making human sounding text, and haven't really used them since. I've not found a use-case for them that is useful to me. If I don't know how to program something, I'll google it, or just work it out myself
      - simonw 1y ago
        I wrote about my own processes using LLMs for code here (mainly aimed at people who aren't finding LLMs useful for coding yet): https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/11/using-llms-for-code/ https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/11/using-llms-for-code/
        voidUpdate 1y ago
        It feels like a lot of the advice I'm seeing is aimed at people who just want to have something that works. I program because I like programming, not because I want a finished thing now. The stuff I program at work is well within my abilities, and uses libraries I'm pretty familiar with, so I don't need a program to write it for me, and when I'm doing stuff in my free time, its because I want to program, so I don't want it to be done for me. The best use I've found for LLMs is generating place names in DnD

cratermoon 1y ago

The generative AI industry long ago demonstrated that it doesn't think things like "copyright", "Terms of Service" or "laws" apply.

TeMPOraL 1y ago
"Terms of Service" are a contractual manner, and in most situations are just treated as suggestions. Whether or not the companies stand in violation of copyright is still being determined. I fail to see what laws they otherwise think don't apply. On the contrary, it seems there's a lot of people on the Internet who think copyright means something different than it actually does, and therefore justifies them their Dog in the Manger attitude.

jeffhuys 1y ago

I'm not really sure actually. But to be honest, I'd rather see these tools be public instead of private; you can't really block this kind of thing anyway. Better have it out in the open where others can benefit/learn... This whole thing is a Pandora's box. We can regulate, forbid, anything, but we all already have models downloaded locally (you did too, right..?). So unless there's some client-side "computer says no" we will never be able to block this anymore.

voidUpdate 1y ago
No, I don't have any models downloaded locally. I've tried a couple of models in the past and found they aren't that useful for me
- simonw 1y ago
  How long ago? The local models were mostly unusably weak until about six months ago when they suddenly got useful: Qwen Coder 2.5, Llama 3.3 70B, Mistral Small 3 and Gemma 3 have all really impressed me on a 64GB Mac and I expect Mistral Small 3 would work in 32GB. Meanwhile this years's Gemini Pro 2.5, Claude 3.7 Sonnet and the most recent GPT-4o API models (or o3-mini high for coding) are significantly better than what we were using last year.
  - voidUpdate 1y ago
    I don't know, 5-6 months ago? I used them, found them acceptable at making human sounding text, and haven't really used them since. I've not found a use-case for them that is useful to me. If I don't know how to program something, I'll google it, or just work it out myself
    - simonw 1y ago
      I wrote about my own processes using LLMs for code here (mainly aimed at people who aren't finding LLMs useful for coding yet): https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/11/using-llms-for-code/ https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/11/using-llms-for-code/
      - voidUpdate 1y ago
        It feels like a lot of the advice I'm seeing is aimed at people who just want to have something that works. I program because I like programming, not because I want a finished thing now. The stuff I program at work is well within my abilities, and uses libraries I'm pretty familiar with, so I don't need a program to write it for me, and when I'm doing stuff in my free time, its because I want to program, so I don't want it to be done for me. The best use I've found for LLMs is generating place names in DnD