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> Like, sorry, but if you want to earn money doing art, please be good at it... By definition, almost half of all $ARTISTS are worse than the median. Should th

by RhysU 2y ago

> Like, sorry, but if you want to earn money doing art, please be good at it... By definition, almost half of all $ARTISTS are worse than the median. Should that half not get paid for their time?

zwnow 2y ago
Yes. They should look for a job that actually covers their lifestyle instead of crying about AI taking their jobs. They can always put in more hours and become better. I cant imagine they have a lot of paying customers anyway.
- WindyMiller 2y ago
  What about the half of the remaining artists that are below the new median?
  - zwnow 2y ago
    Should be good enough to alrdy have established some customers.
    - flkiwi 2y ago
      The problem with that is that people aren't asking for AI generated images in the style of Raven from Topeka with an Etsy shop. They're asking for Ghibli. So the people whose livelihoods are most directly impacted are (assuming they're not centuries dead) the famous, talented, and trend-making artists, not the lower tier making bad Precious Moments knockoffs. Society's problem is understanding that not wanting to pay for bad Precious Moments knockoffs is rational, while not wanting to pay, say, a Studio Ghibli for quality, professional creativity is insane.
      - nasmorn 2y ago
        Couldn’t Ghibli zeitgeist moment lead to them making out hugely with a new release or just a cinema screening of Totoro right now?
        flkiwi 2y ago
        That is "artists should be grateful to work for exposure" on a grand scale.
        nasmorn 2y ago
        Except they didn’t do any work for the exposure. If a marketing agency had come up and executed the Ghiblify everything model as a PR stunt we would call it the most genius creative campaign of the decade
        flkiwi 2y ago
        They did though. The studio engaged in tremendous amounts of work and created good will, in addition to their specific creative works. Their visual style is tied up in that good will. Use of the visual style for profit without consent is, at least ethically, misappropriation of another's value. And "You should be pleased I used your creative work because now more people will know about you and you will make a lot of money from this!" is one of the oldest defenses to misappropriation of creativity. I'm not even mad. We do a terrible job in our society of valuing artists and creative people generally and in explaining the value of intangible things, especially something like good will. People have been misappropriating fonts and clipart and screenshots in presentations and posters and whatnot, duplicating clever branding ideas and the creative efforts of others, and so on for _decades_ if not longer, all without ill intent. It's something we need to fix and never will. But when that becomes a channel for another to directly profit, it begins to venture out of harmlessness.
        bongodongobob 2y ago
        You're entirely missing the point. The average western person has never heard of or seen any Ghibli movies. GPT use is heavily skewed by nerdy types. The average football watching big-bang-theory-is-a-smart-show type person doesn't know what any of this is. If Ghibli feels like they are getting screwed, they could've taken this opportunity to promote themselves, is the parent's point. If I were in their marketing dept I would have been screaming "guys, non-weeaboo people are seeing our name in the news, let's fucking capitalize!" When has Ghibli ever trended? Set up some screenings or stream Spirited Away on their site for a couple weeks or somethin. If they want to win hearts and minds, that's what you have to do. As of now, it's already out of the MSM news cycle and forgotten.
      - zwnow 2y ago
        As if the Ghibli trend wasnt just a short trend people will have forgotten about in 4 weeks... Also I couldnt care less about big studios, they print money anyway.
- RhysU 2y ago
  I keep waiting for physical objects to become important again. AI isn't coming for the ceramic folks.
  - zwnow 2y ago
    I think that would be great. Traditional art market is not nearly as big as the digital space. I'd love if people valued traditional art again as thats the only stuff I do.
    - ane 2y ago
      Depends on the niche. Original physical art for trading card games or comics is a significant chunk of the income of your typical artist. Digital art in those niches does not have this source of income. But then again digital art has other niches where the actual commission rates are high enough to not make this a problem.
  - ben_w 2y ago
    > AI isn't coming for the ceramic folks. *looks at 3D printer on desk that can apparently handle ceramic filaments, thinks about all the mass-produced ceramics sold in supermarkets*

by RhysU 2y ago

> Like, sorry, but if you want to earn money doing art, please be good at it... By definition, almost half of all $ARTISTS are worse than the median. Should that half not get paid for their time?

zwnow 2y ago

Yes. They should look for a job that actually covers their lifestyle instead of crying about AI taking their jobs. They can always put in more hours and become better. I cant imagine they have a lot of paying customers anyway.

WindyMiller 2y ago
What about the half of the remaining artists that are below the new median?
- zwnow 2y ago
  Should be good enough to alrdy have established some customers.
  - flkiwi 2y ago
    The problem with that is that people aren't asking for AI generated images in the style of Raven from Topeka with an Etsy shop. They're asking for Ghibli. So the people whose livelihoods are most directly impacted are (assuming they're not centuries dead) the famous, talented, and trend-making artists, not the lower tier making bad Precious Moments knockoffs. Society's problem is understanding that not wanting to pay for bad Precious Moments knockoffs is rational, while not wanting to pay, say, a Studio Ghibli for quality, professional creativity is insane.
    - nasmorn 2y ago
      Couldn’t Ghibli zeitgeist moment lead to them making out hugely with a new release or just a cinema screening of Totoro right now?
      - flkiwi 2y ago
        That is "artists should be grateful to work for exposure" on a grand scale.
        nasmorn 2y ago
        Except they didn’t do any work for the exposure. If a marketing agency had come up and executed the Ghiblify everything model as a PR stunt we would call it the most genius creative campaign of the decade
        flkiwi 2y ago
        They did though. The studio engaged in tremendous amounts of work and created good will, in addition to their specific creative works. Their visual style is tied up in that good will. Use of the visual style for profit without consent is, at least ethically, misappropriation of another's value. And "You should be pleased I used your creative work because now more people will know about you and you will make a lot of money from this!" is one of the oldest defenses to misappropriation of creativity. I'm not even mad. We do a terrible job in our society of valuing artists and creative people generally and in explaining the value of intangible things, especially something like good will. People have been misappropriating fonts and clipart and screenshots in presentations and posters and whatnot, duplicating clever branding ideas and the creative efforts of others, and so on for _decades_ if not longer, all without ill intent. It's something we need to fix and never will. But when that becomes a channel for another to directly profit, it begins to venture out of harmlessness.
        bongodongobob 2y ago
        You're entirely missing the point. The average western person has never heard of or seen any Ghibli movies. GPT use is heavily skewed by nerdy types. The average football watching big-bang-theory-is-a-smart-show type person doesn't know what any of this is. If Ghibli feels like they are getting screwed, they could've taken this opportunity to promote themselves, is the parent's point. If I were in their marketing dept I would have been screaming "guys, non-weeaboo people are seeing our name in the news, let's fucking capitalize!" When has Ghibli ever trended? Set up some screenings or stream Spirited Away on their site for a couple weeks or somethin. If they want to win hearts and minds, that's what you have to do. As of now, it's already out of the MSM news cycle and forgotten.
    - zwnow 2y ago
      As if the Ghibli trend wasnt just a short trend people will have forgotten about in 4 weeks... Also I couldnt care less about big studios, they print money anyway.
RhysU 2y ago
I keep waiting for physical objects to become important again. AI isn't coming for the ceramic folks.
- zwnow 2y ago
  I think that would be great. Traditional art market is not nearly as big as the digital space. I'd love if people valued traditional art again as thats the only stuff I do.
  - ane 2y ago
    Depends on the niche. Original physical art for trading card games or comics is a significant chunk of the income of your typical artist. Digital art in those niches does not have this source of income. But then again digital art has other niches where the actual commission rates are high enough to not make this a problem.
- ben_w 2y ago
  > AI isn't coming for the ceramic folks. *looks at 3D printer on desk that can apparently handle ceramic filaments, thinks about all the mass-produced ceramics sold in supermarkets*