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Yeah, your sister. Now go ahead and give it to a stranger. Once your key is in the hand of a third party, you lost control of that data, and you have to trust

Yeah, your sister. Now go ahead and give it to a stranger. Once your key is in the hand of a third party, you lost control of that data, and you have to trust them that they will not give it out to someone else (they will), and you have to trust them to keep it safe, and you have to trust them to [...]. My private key is mine, and mine only, or supposed to be.

gambiting 2y ago
>> Now go ahead and give it to a stranger. Well, maybe a better example then - I have a secure storage deposit with a bank. I'm 100% sure it's secure from opportunistic criminals and no one, including the government, knows what's inside it, however, the bank still holds a master key for that deposit box in case it's compelled to open it for law enforcement. >>My private key is mine, and mine only, or supposed to be. Again, OP was talking about balance - how do we make sure that people's private communications are safe from criminals, but at the same time allow law enforcement to look at them if needed. To which my answer is - that's how. That's doesn't make encryption "useless", it's just that this model doesn't fit your specific usecase.
- pjc50 2y ago
  > the bank still holds a master key for that deposit box in case it's compelled to open it for law enforcement. .. so they can steal it. https://www.forbes.com/sites/instituteforjustice/2023/12/11/court-grills-government-over-86m-fbi-raid-on-security-deposit-boxes/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/instituteforjustice/2023/12/11/...
  - ryandrake 2y ago
    Excellent example of why your stuff (be it messages or valuables) are not safe if anyone else has the key.
    - gambiting 2y ago
      That is obviously 100% correct, I just find it interesting that we all expect our data storage to be in this completely unbreakable vault that no one can get to even with a valid court warrant, but there is no such expectation for physical spaces. Even the most secure Swiss bank will have to open their vault when the police turn up with a valid warrant.
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gambiting 2y ago

>> Now go ahead and give it to a stranger. Well, maybe a better example then - I have a secure storage deposit with a bank. I'm 100% sure it's secure from opportunistic criminals and no one, including the government, knows what's inside it, however, the bank still holds a master key for that deposit box in case it's compelled to open it for law enforcement. >>My private key is mine, and mine only, or supposed to be. Again, OP was talking about balance - how do we make sure that people's private communications are safe from criminals, but at the same time allow law enforcement to look at them if needed. To which my answer is - that's how. That's doesn't make encryption "useless", it's just that this model doesn't fit your specific usecase.

pjc50 2y ago
> the bank still holds a master key for that deposit box in case it's compelled to open it for law enforcement. .. so they can steal it. https://www.forbes.com/sites/instituteforjustice/2023/12/11/court-grills-government-over-86m-fbi-raid-on-security-deposit-boxes/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/instituteforjustice/2023/12/11/...
- ryandrake 2y ago
  Excellent example of why your stuff (be it messages or valuables) are not safe if anyone else has the key.
  - gambiting 2y ago
    That is obviously 100% correct, I just find it interesting that we all expect our data storage to be in this completely unbreakable vault that no one can get to even with a valid court warrant, but there is no such expectation for physical spaces. Even the most secure Swiss bank will have to open their vault when the police turn up with a valid warrant.
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