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> If someone misbehaves and two people are close by you can be sure that they loudly will talk with each other This is the exact opposite of my experience (and

by Pooge 2y ago

> If someone misbehaves and two people are close by you can be sure that they loudly will talk with each other This is the exact opposite of my experience (and all my Japanese friends). They will stare at the person misbehaving but will absolutely not challenge him. Their culture is "avoid the problem/confronting at all costs". > The police acts swiftly They are considered tax thieves, even by Japanese people. Also, talk to some foreign women that got sexually harassed or even raped how the police helped them. In fact, I don't have proof, but I sincerely believe that if the police was trained well, crime rate would increase because they would find more crimes. > healthy food Are we talking about deep-fried food? Or perhaps over-salted dishes? Oh, no, you meant the sugar they add in basically all their cooking? Time where they mostly ate fish and rice is over. They barely eat enough vegetables. And fruits are for the well-off only. It's a country that I love and have spent quite some time there—and more to come—but your observations are exactly the opposite of what I saw. What they do correctly is the low unemployment rate, though I think it's starting to rise with younger people. People don't need to commit violent crimes to feed themselves if any work lets them afford necessities.

danielscrubs 2y ago
I think they are opposite because when I say police acts swiftly, you turn around and say that they are tax thieves. They can both be true? Healthy food. Yes they eat healthy and their BMI shows it. I find it quite ludicrous to think their restaurants represent what they eat on daily basis. Proof is in the pudding (BMI). Yes it is getting worse and I hope American tariffs will help in this regard. Again, healthy living AND getting worse can both be true, especially with people that are friendly with cultures they want to know more about (many, but still a small subset). Not sure why Violent crime would be better than non-violent crime for feeding your kids. But the narrative that is pushed heavily in media is the equal sign between poor and criminal, instead of the correlation, which again is reductive. Why? Is there anger? What food do trigger it? What mindset? My grandparents where very poor (as in oat porridge for weeks poor). They would never hurt a fly. In certain minds that would have been a weakness, in certain minds it’s self sacrifice and equal strength. Most want to be the wolf among the sheep. It is US greatest strength and greatest weakness at the same time.
- Pooge 2y ago
  > police acts swiftly Perhaps I misunderstood what you meant by "swift". > I find it quite ludicrous to think their restaurants represent what they eat on daily basis I have lived with 2 different Japanese family (one younger, one older) and I was referring to the younger one when writing my previous comment. You say that restaurant doesn't represent what they eat, but again this is not my observation; restaurants and prepared meal (bento) are socheap—price-to-purchasing-power compared to Western countries—that many people don't even cook for themselves. So yes, it's absolutely relevant. > Not sure why Violent crime would be better than non-violent crime for feeding your kids I never said it was. But hunger definitely makes you more violent and more irrational. I excluded non-violent crimes because people usually exclude those when thinking about a country's safety. There are a lot of scams in Japan, for example. > They would never hurt a fly. Most people would never hurt someone. Most people are lawful. But most criminals are not from well-off families and grew up needy. Perhaps there is a causation, perhaps not.
  - darkwater 2y ago
    > But most criminals are not from well-off families and grew up needy. Petty or to-some-extent violent criminals. White collar criminals, the worse kind of criminal, usually come from good/rich/powerful families (I'm generally speaking, not talking about Japan specifically)
    - Pooge 2y ago
      Which is why I initially mentioned violent crime. The one people tend to care about the most.
    - achenet 2y ago
      nitpick: I'd argue the worse types of criminals are war criminals, like for example Hitler, who is, in my mind, worse than someone like Bernie Madoff.
- mrob 2y ago
  I think it's more likely that social pressure to control people's weights is responsible for Japan's low BMI, not anything to do with the food. Japan is the land of vending machines and convenience stores. It's easy to eat junk food all day if you want to. But people will notice you getting fat, and unlike in Western countries they're likely to criticize you for it.
ConspiracyFact 2y ago
Japan is also full of Japanese people.
- danielscrubs 2y ago
  Reductive
  - ConspiracyFact 2y ago
    So?
NalNezumi 2y ago
If you think sugar added to everything is a Japan phenomenon oh boi, time to travel. As someone that lived there, frankly your take come off as the typical "English teacher/exchange student that lived in Tokyo and spend too much time on r/japanlife" and think Tokyo represent the average.
- Pooge 2y ago
  > If you think sugar added to everything is a Japan phenomenon oh boi, time to travel. You're not refuting my argument. > As someone that lived there, frankly your take come off as the typical "English teacher/exchange student that lived in Tokyo and spend too much time on r/japanlife" and think Tokyo represent the average. That's very condescending of you and again not refuting my claims at all. Do most of your colleagues eat their own dishes? Don't they add a helluva lot sugar and salt to everything? Hell, even Japanese-made Western desserts taste way too sweet. I think you could be a bit kinder and not resort to personal attacks. Edit: it's true that I lived in Tokyo, but unfortunately it's a country that contains 4 cities that get more dense by the day at the cost of unpopulated rural areas.
  - XajniN 2y ago
    The poison is in the amount, not in the substance. Salty or sweet food is completely fine if you don’t eat a ton every day. You actually need salt, it is much more dangerous to not consume enough of it.
    - Pooge 2y ago
      Don't you think we eat too much of those? Most people are dying of heart diseases and guess their causes... Japanese elderly don't even drink the broth of ramen otherwise they may literally die (not my words). Edit: sugar we don't really need to survive (trace amounts found in fruits and vegetables is basically enough) and salt maximum daily recommended amount is around 3g. Do you know how much salt a tablespoon of soy sauce contains?
      - 2y ago
InDubioProRubio 2y ago
Yeah, the us subsidy for violent crime aka "no money for the unemployed" is quiet counterproductive.
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by Pooge 2y ago

danielscrubs 2y ago

I think they are opposite because when I say police acts swiftly, you turn around and say that they are tax thieves. They can both be true? Healthy food. Yes they eat healthy and their BMI shows it. I find it quite ludicrous to think their restaurants represent what they eat on daily basis. Proof is in the pudding (BMI). Yes it is getting worse and I hope American tariffs will help in this regard. Again, healthy living AND getting worse can both be true, especially with people that are friendly with cultures they want to know more about (many, but still a small subset). Not sure why Violent crime would be better than non-violent crime for feeding your kids. But the narrative that is pushed heavily in media is the equal sign between poor and criminal, instead of the correlation, which again is reductive. Why? Is there anger? What food do trigger it? What mindset? My grandparents where very poor (as in oat porridge for weeks poor). They would never hurt a fly. In certain minds that would have been a weakness, in certain minds it’s self sacrifice and equal strength. Most want to be the wolf among the sheep. It is US greatest strength and greatest weakness at the same time.

Pooge 2y ago
> police acts swiftly Perhaps I misunderstood what you meant by "swift". > I find it quite ludicrous to think their restaurants represent what they eat on daily basis I have lived with 2 different Japanese family (one younger, one older) and I was referring to the younger one when writing my previous comment. You say that restaurant doesn't represent what they eat, but again this is not my observation; restaurants and prepared meal (bento) are socheap—price-to-purchasing-power compared to Western countries—that many people don't even cook for themselves. So yes, it's absolutely relevant. > Not sure why Violent crime would be better than non-violent crime for feeding your kids I never said it was. But hunger definitely makes you more violent and more irrational. I excluded non-violent crimes because people usually exclude those when thinking about a country's safety. There are a lot of scams in Japan, for example. > They would never hurt a fly. Most people would never hurt someone. Most people are lawful. But most criminals are not from well-off families and grew up needy. Perhaps there is a causation, perhaps not.
- darkwater 2y ago
  > But most criminals are not from well-off families and grew up needy. Petty or to-some-extent violent criminals. White collar criminals, the worse kind of criminal, usually come from good/rich/powerful families (I'm generally speaking, not talking about Japan specifically)
  - Pooge 2y ago
    Which is why I initially mentioned violent crime. The one people tend to care about the most.
  - achenet 2y ago
    nitpick: I'd argue the worse types of criminals are war criminals, like for example Hitler, who is, in my mind, worse than someone like Bernie Madoff.
mrob 2y ago
I think it's more likely that social pressure to control people's weights is responsible for Japan's low BMI, not anything to do with the food. Japan is the land of vending machines and convenience stores. It's easy to eat junk food all day if you want to. But people will notice you getting fat, and unlike in Western countries they're likely to criticize you for it.

ConspiracyFact 2y ago

Japan is also full of Japanese people.

danielscrubs 2y ago
Reductive
- ConspiracyFact 2y ago
  So?

NalNezumi 2y ago

If you think sugar added to everything is a Japan phenomenon oh boi, time to travel. As someone that lived there, frankly your take come off as the typical "English teacher/exchange student that lived in Tokyo and spend too much time on r/japanlife" and think Tokyo represent the average.

Pooge 2y ago
> If you think sugar added to everything is a Japan phenomenon oh boi, time to travel. You're not refuting my argument. > As someone that lived there, frankly your take come off as the typical "English teacher/exchange student that lived in Tokyo and spend too much time on r/japanlife" and think Tokyo represent the average. That's very condescending of you and again not refuting my claims at all. Do most of your colleagues eat their own dishes? Don't they add a helluva lot sugar and salt to everything? Hell, even Japanese-made Western desserts taste way too sweet. I think you could be a bit kinder and not resort to personal attacks. Edit: it's true that I lived in Tokyo, but unfortunately it's a country that contains 4 cities that get more dense by the day at the cost of unpopulated rural areas.
- XajniN 2y ago
  The poison is in the amount, not in the substance. Salty or sweet food is completely fine if you don’t eat a ton every day. You actually need salt, it is much more dangerous to not consume enough of it.
  - Pooge 2y ago
    Don't you think we eat too much of those? Most people are dying of heart diseases and guess their causes... Japanese elderly don't even drink the broth of ramen otherwise they may literally die (not my words). Edit: sugar we don't really need to survive (trace amounts found in fruits and vegetables is basically enough) and salt maximum daily recommended amount is around 3g. Do you know how much salt a tablespoon of soy sauce contains?
    - 2y ago

InDubioProRubio 2y ago

Yeah, the us subsidy for violent crime aka "no money for the unemployed" is quiet counterproductive.

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