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> If you find you cannot function sitting in conference room with three other people for an hour, there is a 100% chance there is a better candidate suited for
by re-thc 2y ago
> If you find you cannot function sitting in conference room with three other people for an hour, there is a 100% chance there is a better candidate suited for the role, even if his/her technical skills are less than yours.
This assumes that was the job? What if the job never talks or sits in a room with anyone?
> Hiring is all about finding the best candidate.
Then what is leet code about?
- motorest 2y ago> This assumes that was the job? What if the job never talks or sits in a room with anyone? That's perfectly fine. Some coding jobs also don't require deep knowledge on data structures. Each company and project has its own requirements. This does not reject the value of soft skills and being able to interact with other people. You can also frame this from another perspective. How far should a hiring manager go to accommodate antisocial and straight out toxic people? Does an eggregious backstabber have the right to advance in hiring processes just because others found him unpleasant to work with?
- fzeroracer 2y agoSitting in a conference room under pressure after potentially flying out possibly hundreds of miles doesn't test your soft skills in actual day to day work. I've known many excellent engineers that buckle under that conditional.
- motorest 2y ago> Sitting in a conference room under pressure after potentially flying out possibly hundreds of miles doesn't test your soft skills in actual day to day work. I've known many excellent engineers that buckle under that conditional. You're complaining about the hypothetical effectiveness of concrete hiring practices. You are not rejecting the value and importance of soft skills. Also, the ability to work under pressure is valuable skill. If you have a candidate that fails to perform when being in a room with someone else, I doubt you can argue that that's your hiring decision when other candidates are able to perform in similar circumstances.
- sarchertech 2y agoLiterally no other industry except for the performing arts interviews like this. No one else expects senior people to perform “work samples” under pressure, they just talk to them and dig into past work. All of the really damaging hires, I’ve seen in the last couple decades have been engineers with high negative productivity who were great at passing high pressure technical interviews. Also in a couple decades working everywhere from startups to big tech companies in staff+ roles, I have never experienced anything even remotely similar to a performative technical interview. Even when everything is on fire, it’s not even close to the same thing.
- ryandrake 2y agoI’ve always wondered: is there a LeetCode equivalent for doctors? When a hospital interviews a surgeon, do they roll out a cadaver and ask them to remove the gall bladder in 15 minutes while the interviewer scrutinizes how they hold the scalpel?
- Apocryphon 2y agoIt’s because medicine, with its residencies and HN-mocked credentialism, is closer to traditional craftsmanship and the progression of apprentice-journeyman-master than the “every hacker for themselves” world of modern tech.
- re-thc 2y ago> is closer to traditional craftsmanship and the progression of apprentice-journeyman-master than the “every hacker for themselves”. Let's fix the real problem then? Why can't tech be like this?
- motorest 2y ago> Let's fix the real problem then? Why can't tech be like this? Why should it? What problems would they solve? Are you so afraid of competing with those who might not get a certiciation?
- alabastervlog 2y ago> Then what is leet code about? At FAANG and friends? Discouraging job hopping to slow wage growth. Elsewhere? "FAANG does it and they're rich, so if we want to become rich we should also do it".