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Worth noting that the relations to elder is really getting rocky, and people are rethinking them in both directions. We can't hide from the influence the elder

Worth noting that the relations to elder is really getting rocky, and people are rethinking them in both directions. We can't hide from the influence the elder generations had on the current situation. Japan is a developed nation with a crazy low crime rate and incredible infrastructure thanks to them. It's also a social mess and the poster child of stagnation thanks to them. This whole trading card game surfaces both sides of the coin, with what these people are bringing to the community and also why small kids shouldn't look to much upon them as it's a recipe for trouble.

danielscrubs 1y ago
Japan always does the hard thing. If someone misbehaves and two people are close by you can be sure that they loudly will talk with each other about how the person misbehaves (they are not afraid). The prisons are very strict, with beatings if you don’t follow authority. The police acts swiftly and have small offices everywhere . Green tea and healthy food makes people be able to control their mood (hard to not stuff your face). The rules are very open and clear. The deincentives for misconduct are strong. The newspapers focus are different. More fun or actionable news. People just think they are built different, that is not the case. They just succeed with many small things that makes a greater whole. But people just dismiss it as a culture thing, which is reductive.
- DeathArrow 1y ago
  >They just succeed with many small things that makes a greater whole. But people just dismiss it as a culture thing, which is reductive. Aren't rules part of the culture? The culture helps strengthening the rules while the rules help strengthening the culture.
  - tankenmate 1y ago
    出る釘は打たれる。
    - pmontra 1y ago
      The nail that sticks out gets hammered down (Google Translate.)
    - danielscrubs 1y ago
      It is a way of dismissing clear rules. Because it’s not that it is used to attack people that are different, but it is used to deincentive bad behaviour, but by conflating the two you end up in a bad place, where incentives are…misaligned.
      - DeathArrow 1y ago
        It seems to me Japan does just fine by having rules and sticking to their culture. Many people admire Japanese culture. But they wouldn't have anything to admire had Japanese people not conserving and caring greatly about their culture and sticking to their rules and ways of life. I probably won't be integrating in the Japanese culture, but I admire and respect it and the fact they still have that culture.
  - danielscrubs 1y ago
    Yes, but it is sometimes used to dismiss any actionable insights that can be used in politics. ”Would never work here, the culture is different!” Maybe Im just ranting…
- Pooge 1y ago
  > If someone misbehaves and two people are close by you can be sure that they loudly will talk with each other This is the exact opposite of my experience (and all my Japanese friends). They will stare at the person misbehaving but will absolutely not challenge him. Their culture is "avoid the problem/confronting at all costs". > The police acts swiftly They are considered tax thieves, even by Japanese people. Also, talk to some foreign women that got sexually harassed or even raped how the police helped them. In fact, I don't have proof, but I sincerely believe that if the police was trained well, crime rate would increase because they would find more crimes. > healthy food Are we talking about deep-fried food? Or perhaps over-salted dishes? Oh, no, you meant the sugar they add in basically all their cooking? Time where they mostly ate fish and rice is over. They barely eat enough vegetables. And fruits are for the well-off only. It's a country that I love and have spent quite some time there—and more to come—but your observations are exactly the opposite of what I saw. What they do correctly is the low unemployment rate, though I think it's starting to rise with younger people. People don't need to commit violent crimes to feed themselves if any work lets them afford necessities.
  - danielscrubs 1y ago
    I think they are opposite because when I say police acts swiftly, you turn around and say that they are tax thieves. They can both be true? Healthy food. Yes they eat healthy and their BMI shows it. I find it quite ludicrous to think their restaurants represent what they eat on daily basis. Proof is in the pudding (BMI). Yes it is getting worse and I hope American tariffs will help in this regard. Again, healthy living AND getting worse can both be true, especially with people that are friendly with cultures they want to know more about (many, but still a small subset). Not sure why Violent crime would be better than non-violent crime for feeding your kids. But the narrative that is pushed heavily in media is the equal sign between poor and criminal, instead of the correlation, which again is reductive. Why? Is there anger? What food do trigger it? What mindset? My grandparents where very poor (as in oat porridge for weeks poor). They would never hurt a fly. In certain minds that would have been a weakness, in certain minds it’s self sacrifice and equal strength. Most want to be the wolf among the sheep. It is US greatest strength and greatest weakness at the same time.
- klausa 1y ago
  This is about as deep of analysis of Japan as the Ghibli AI avatars are "art". > If someone misbehaves and two people are close by you can be sure that they loudly will talk with each other about how the person misbehaves This is just straight up fan-fiction, and absolutely not how the society here operates. You will get stared at. People will move aside, maybe. That's the extent of reaction from the public you can expect. > The police acts swiftly and have small offices everywhere . The "small offices"/kobans are more than useless for any actual "crime". They're quite useful in reporting that you lost a wallet/keys, but good luck when having any actual problems that need to be reported. Goes doubly so for areas where there's elevated chance of actual crimes happening — interacting with cops in Kabukicho has to be one of the least useful activities on the planet. > The prisons are very strict, with beatings if you don’t follow authority. And this is... a good thing? We have wildly different moral systems if you think that. > Green tea and healthy food makes people be able to control their mood (hard to not stuff your face). "Green tea and healthy food" is, frankly, an even stupider argument than "they're built different". Yes, it's the diet that makes the society more conformist, sure, why not. There's many great, and many not-so-great things about Japan — why do these arguments online always just start with the most basic, surface level, inane pseudoanalysis?
  - danielscrubs 1y ago
    1. Yes they won’t interact with the misbehaving person but they will loudly declare their feelings around it. 2. Police boxes are great when drunk people are causing ruckus. What are the details in your case? 3. Never said it was. You need to stop seeing things as being good or bad. What I said was strong incentives. 4. L-theanine has a calming effect, it is quite well known. Just as lead has the opposite effect. To be productive, what actionable insights do you glean from countries such as Japan?
    - energy123 1y ago
      > L-theanine has a calming effect, it is quite well known. The evidence for this in humans is very weak.
      - 1y ago
- lazyasciiart 1y ago
  > Japan always does the hard thing Talk about reductive, but also wrong. Not being racist, for example, is the harder option for most people, and not the one encouraged in Japan. Another one: Japan still has children growing up in orphanages because it is considered weird to take in someone else’s child. Office life is 50% time spent correctly pandering to your bosses feelings, and they have made so little effort to include women in the workforce and make parenting compatible with a good job that nobody wants to have kids.

danielscrubs 1y ago

Japan always does the hard thing. If someone misbehaves and two people are close by you can be sure that they loudly will talk with each other about how the person misbehaves (they are not afraid). The prisons are very strict, with beatings if you don’t follow authority. The police acts swiftly and have small offices everywhere . Green tea and healthy food makes people be able to control their mood (hard to not stuff your face). The rules are very open and clear. The deincentives for misconduct are strong. The newspapers focus are different. More fun or actionable news. People just think they are built different, that is not the case. They just succeed with many small things that makes a greater whole. But people just dismiss it as a culture thing, which is reductive.

DeathArrow 1y ago
>They just succeed with many small things that makes a greater whole. But people just dismiss it as a culture thing, which is reductive. Aren't rules part of the culture? The culture helps strengthening the rules while the rules help strengthening the culture.
- tankenmate 1y ago
  出る釘は打たれる。
  - pmontra 1y ago
    The nail that sticks out gets hammered down (Google Translate.)
  - danielscrubs 1y ago
    It is a way of dismissing clear rules. Because it’s not that it is used to attack people that are different, but it is used to deincentive bad behaviour, but by conflating the two you end up in a bad place, where incentives are…misaligned.
    - DeathArrow 1y ago
      It seems to me Japan does just fine by having rules and sticking to their culture. Many people admire Japanese culture. But they wouldn't have anything to admire had Japanese people not conserving and caring greatly about their culture and sticking to their rules and ways of life. I probably won't be integrating in the Japanese culture, but I admire and respect it and the fact they still have that culture.
- danielscrubs 1y ago
  Yes, but it is sometimes used to dismiss any actionable insights that can be used in politics. ”Would never work here, the culture is different!” Maybe Im just ranting…
Pooge 1y ago
> If someone misbehaves and two people are close by you can be sure that they loudly will talk with each other This is the exact opposite of my experience (and all my Japanese friends). They will stare at the person misbehaving but will absolutely not challenge him. Their culture is "avoid the problem/confronting at all costs". > The police acts swiftly They are considered tax thieves, even by Japanese people. Also, talk to some foreign women that got sexually harassed or even raped how the police helped them. In fact, I don't have proof, but I sincerely believe that if the police was trained well, crime rate would increase because they would find more crimes. > healthy food Are we talking about deep-fried food? Or perhaps over-salted dishes? Oh, no, you meant the sugar they add in basically all their cooking? Time where they mostly ate fish and rice is over. They barely eat enough vegetables. And fruits are for the well-off only. It's a country that I love and have spent quite some time there—and more to come—but your observations are exactly the opposite of what I saw. What they do correctly is the low unemployment rate, though I think it's starting to rise with younger people. People don't need to commit violent crimes to feed themselves if any work lets them afford necessities.
- danielscrubs 1y ago
  I think they are opposite because when I say police acts swiftly, you turn around and say that they are tax thieves. They can both be true? Healthy food. Yes they eat healthy and their BMI shows it. I find it quite ludicrous to think their restaurants represent what they eat on daily basis. Proof is in the pudding (BMI). Yes it is getting worse and I hope American tariffs will help in this regard. Again, healthy living AND getting worse can both be true, especially with people that are friendly with cultures they want to know more about (many, but still a small subset). Not sure why Violent crime would be better than non-violent crime for feeding your kids. But the narrative that is pushed heavily in media is the equal sign between poor and criminal, instead of the correlation, which again is reductive. Why? Is there anger? What food do trigger it? What mindset? My grandparents where very poor (as in oat porridge for weeks poor). They would never hurt a fly. In certain minds that would have been a weakness, in certain minds it’s self sacrifice and equal strength. Most want to be the wolf among the sheep. It is US greatest strength and greatest weakness at the same time.
klausa 1y ago
This is about as deep of analysis of Japan as the Ghibli AI avatars are "art". > If someone misbehaves and two people are close by you can be sure that they loudly will talk with each other about how the person misbehaves This is just straight up fan-fiction, and absolutely not how the society here operates. You will get stared at. People will move aside, maybe. That's the extent of reaction from the public you can expect. > The police acts swiftly and have small offices everywhere . The "small offices"/kobans are more than useless for any actual "crime". They're quite useful in reporting that you lost a wallet/keys, but good luck when having any actual problems that need to be reported. Goes doubly so for areas where there's elevated chance of actual crimes happening — interacting with cops in Kabukicho has to be one of the least useful activities on the planet. > The prisons are very strict, with beatings if you don’t follow authority. And this is... a good thing? We have wildly different moral systems if you think that. > Green tea and healthy food makes people be able to control their mood (hard to not stuff your face). "Green tea and healthy food" is, frankly, an even stupider argument than "they're built different". Yes, it's the diet that makes the society more conformist, sure, why not. There's many great, and many not-so-great things about Japan — why do these arguments online always just start with the most basic, surface level, inane pseudoanalysis?
- danielscrubs 1y ago
  1. Yes they won’t interact with the misbehaving person but they will loudly declare their feelings around it. 2. Police boxes are great when drunk people are causing ruckus. What are the details in your case? 3. Never said it was. You need to stop seeing things as being good or bad. What I said was strong incentives. 4. L-theanine has a calming effect, it is quite well known. Just as lead has the opposite effect. To be productive, what actionable insights do you glean from countries such as Japan?
  - energy123 1y ago
    > L-theanine has a calming effect, it is quite well known. The evidence for this in humans is very weak.
    - 1y ago
lazyasciiart 1y ago
> Japan always does the hard thing Talk about reductive, but also wrong. Not being racist, for example, is the harder option for most people, and not the one encouraged in Japan. Another one: Japan still has children growing up in orphanages because it is considered weird to take in someone else’s child. Office life is 50% time spent correctly pandering to your bosses feelings, and they have made so little effort to include women in the workforce and make parenting compatible with a good job that nobody wants to have kids.