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I don’t understand this. There are well qualified legitimate candidates desperate for a job. How are North Koreans getting these jobs instead? https://news.yco

I don’t understand this. There are well qualified legitimate candidates desperate for a job. How are North Koreans getting these jobs instead? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43612448 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43612448

fooker 2y ago
> well qualified legitimate candidates How do you choose between a well qualified legitimate candidate and a extremely well qualified 'appears to be' legitimate candidate? These people are presumably not advertising themselves to be from Pyongyang.
OhioMan2943 2y ago
Is this to imply that north Koreans can't be well qualified legitimate candidates?
- bluefirebrand 2y ago
  Well qualified, sure Legitimate? Seems unlikely, given the state of affairs in North Korea
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  - slt2021 2y ago
    they are not being hired using their NK identity. For all intents and purposes they look like American or Asian(Vietnam/China/etc)
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- behringer 2y ago
  Legitimate? You do realize it's illegal to hire NK workers in most civilized countries?
  - cap11235 2y ago
    Spy agencies lying? Unthinkable!
    - behringer 2y ago
      That's beside the point. My point is that there are no legitimate NK employees.
jdyer9 2y ago
Imagine that your reputation didn't matter, getting sued was out of the question, and there was no criminal liability: your job, backed by the government, is to be employed by as many tech firms for as long as you can, you'd probably work pretty hard on coming up with a reasonable but very good resume and work hard on how to interview well. Now, you're a professional interviewer and might conduct 10x-100x more interviews than your average dev, and have a network of people helping you optimize your cheating. Given that background, I personally find it unsurprising that they're having success and AI tools are just making it that much easier
- ryandrake 2y ago
  Absolutely damning of the tech industry’s interviewing and recruiting process if companies can’t distinguish between a “professional interviewer” (regardless of their nationality) and an actually talented candidate who does one interview a year or so.
  - mettamage 2y ago
    I think professional interviewees have more time honing their craft than people that are conducting interviews. It's IMO a similar attacker/defender mechanic as we see in security. Attackers have the upperhand in most cases as they only need to find one or few vulnerabilities on presumably a gargantuan attack surface.
gedy 2y ago
This mentions the Fortune 500, and some of the financial companies I'm familiar with treat IT like janitors and have no qualms getting the lowest crap devs whom they can boss around. They don't want good devs and someone part of a team.

fooker 2y ago

> well qualified legitimate candidates How do you choose between a well qualified legitimate candidate and a extremely well qualified 'appears to be' legitimate candidate? These people are presumably not advertising themselves to be from Pyongyang.

OhioMan2943 2y ago

Is this to imply that north Koreans can't be well qualified legitimate candidates?

bluefirebrand 2y ago
Well qualified, sure Legitimate? Seems unlikely, given the state of affairs in North Korea
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- slt2021 2y ago
  they are not being hired using their NK identity. For all intents and purposes they look like American or Asian(Vietnam/China/etc)
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behringer 2y ago
Legitimate? You do realize it's illegal to hire NK workers in most civilized countries?
- cap11235 2y ago
  Spy agencies lying? Unthinkable!
  - behringer 2y ago
    That's beside the point. My point is that there are no legitimate NK employees.

jdyer9 2y ago

Imagine that your reputation didn't matter, getting sued was out of the question, and there was no criminal liability: your job, backed by the government, is to be employed by as many tech firms for as long as you can, you'd probably work pretty hard on coming up with a reasonable but very good resume and work hard on how to interview well. Now, you're a professional interviewer and might conduct 10x-100x more interviews than your average dev, and have a network of people helping you optimize your cheating. Given that background, I personally find it unsurprising that they're having success and AI tools are just making it that much easier

ryandrake 2y ago
Absolutely damning of the tech industry’s interviewing and recruiting process if companies can’t distinguish between a “professional interviewer” (regardless of their nationality) and an actually talented candidate who does one interview a year or so.
- mettamage 2y ago
  I think professional interviewees have more time honing their craft than people that are conducting interviews. It's IMO a similar attacker/defender mechanic as we see in security. Attackers have the upperhand in most cases as they only need to find one or few vulnerabilities on presumably a gargantuan attack surface.

gedy 2y ago

This mentions the Fortune 500, and some of the financial companies I'm familiar with treat IT like janitors and have no qualms getting the lowest crap devs whom they can boss around. They don't want good devs and someone part of a team.