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I'm going to go out on a limb and say the side bombing hospitals is fully animated. What is important is that more and more people realize the companies their g

I'm going to go out on a limb and say the side bombing hospitals is fully animated. What is important is that more and more people realize the companies their giving their money to are using it to kill children.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> the side bombing hospitals is fully animated The Americans who lightly support Israel aren't bombing anything. They're the ones who get animated by giving the issue name recognition.
- mackyspace 2y ago
  Americans who lightly support Israel are baby boomers that won't be with us much longer.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > Americans who lightly support Israel are baby boomers that won't be with us much longer While 55+ is strongly pro-Israel, 35 to 54-year olds are moderately pro-Israel [1]. So sure, in 30 to 60 years we might see a demography-driven shift. (Gen Z isn't pro-Palestine as much as more evenly divided.) One of the strategic mistake the American pro-Palestinian movement made from the beginning was deploying majoritarian tactics. Those don't work if you don't actually have a majority. (This protest is an example of it.) Instead, the movement should be deploying minority tactics in the way e.g. the gun lobby does. [1] https://news.gallup.com/poll/611375/americans-views-israel-palestinian-authority-down.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/611375/americans-views-israel-p...
    - runarberg 1y ago
      Is this the most recent poll you could find? I‘m pretty sure support for Israel has drastically dropped over the year since this poll was published. Here is one a year later from the same publisher: https://news.gallup.com/poll/657404/less-half-sympathetic-toward-israelis.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/657404/less-half-sympathetic-to... 33% are sympathetic to Palestinians vs. 46% who are more sympathetic to Israel. Support for Israel is the lowest since they started measuring in 2001 and is showing a pretty rapid decline. Among democratic voters Palestine support is actually greater than support for Israel (59% vs 21%). Among the youngest age group (18-34 years old) support is 48% for Palestine vs 31% for Israel. The takeaway isn’t just the shifting demography it is also a shift in support. More Americans are changing their opinion, away from Israel and towards Palestine. Especially among the Democratic voter base.
      - OhioMan2943 1y ago
        That's america. The rest of the western world (Ireland, UK, Aus etc) tend to be much more pro Palestine than israel, I'm assuming due to less biased media (The NYT edited that hospital bombing headline 4 times once published to hide israels fault) In Australia 60% of people view palestine favourably whereas only 39% view israel favourably (ADL 2024 Antisemitism survey)https://www.adl.org/adl-global-100-index-antisemitism https://www.adl.org/adl-global-100-index-antisemitism
        JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        > I'm assuming due to less biased media It’s very difficult to disentangle how much the effect is driven by Jewish and Israeli diasporas (and others’ proximities to them) [1] versus outright bias. An Australian paper isn’t going to be held to account the same way the Times will be, arguable from both sides, because the latter serves a larger and more-diverse audience. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> the side bombing hospitals is fully animated The Americans who lightly support Israel aren't bombing anything. They're the ones who get animated by giving the issue name recognition.

mackyspace 2y ago
Americans who lightly support Israel are baby boomers that won't be with us much longer.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > Americans who lightly support Israel are baby boomers that won't be with us much longer While 55+ is strongly pro-Israel, 35 to 54-year olds are moderately pro-Israel [1]. So sure, in 30 to 60 years we might see a demography-driven shift. (Gen Z isn't pro-Palestine as much as more evenly divided.) One of the strategic mistake the American pro-Palestinian movement made from the beginning was deploying majoritarian tactics. Those don't work if you don't actually have a majority. (This protest is an example of it.) Instead, the movement should be deploying minority tactics in the way e.g. the gun lobby does. [1] https://news.gallup.com/poll/611375/americans-views-israel-palestinian-authority-down.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/611375/americans-views-israel-p...
  - runarberg 1y ago
    Is this the most recent poll you could find? I‘m pretty sure support for Israel has drastically dropped over the year since this poll was published. Here is one a year later from the same publisher: https://news.gallup.com/poll/657404/less-half-sympathetic-toward-israelis.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/657404/less-half-sympathetic-to... 33% are sympathetic to Palestinians vs. 46% who are more sympathetic to Israel. Support for Israel is the lowest since they started measuring in 2001 and is showing a pretty rapid decline. Among democratic voters Palestine support is actually greater than support for Israel (59% vs 21%). Among the youngest age group (18-34 years old) support is 48% for Palestine vs 31% for Israel. The takeaway isn’t just the shifting demography it is also a shift in support. More Americans are changing their opinion, away from Israel and towards Palestine. Especially among the Democratic voter base.
    - OhioMan2943 1y ago
      That's america. The rest of the western world (Ireland, UK, Aus etc) tend to be much more pro Palestine than israel, I'm assuming due to less biased media (The NYT edited that hospital bombing headline 4 times once published to hide israels fault) In Australia 60% of people view palestine favourably whereas only 39% view israel favourably (ADL 2024 Antisemitism survey)https://www.adl.org/adl-global-100-index-antisemitism https://www.adl.org/adl-global-100-index-antisemitism
      - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        > I'm assuming due to less biased media It’s very difficult to disentangle how much the effect is driven by Jewish and Israeli diasporas (and others’ proximities to them) [1] versus outright bias. An Australian paper isn’t going to be held to account the same way the Times will be, arguable from both sides, because the latter serves a larger and more-diverse audience. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country