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We're talking about it, so it seems pretty effective to me! The "won't people think of Bill Gate's feelings!" arguments aren't very compelling, just makes you l

We're talking about it, so it seems pretty effective to me! The "won't people think of Bill Gate's feelings!" arguments aren't very compelling, just makes you look like you want to be complicit.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> We're talking about it, so it seems pretty effective to me! Talking about an issue is productive if you need to bring awareness to it. There is nobody on the planet who isn't aware that something is happening in Israel and Gaza. And when an issue is this divisive, calling attention to it mobilises both sides. (See polling following the protests at Columbia, for example. Awareness went up. But net support increased more for Israel than Palestine because people just defaulted to their priors.)
- mackyspace 2y ago
  Support for Palestinians has increased steadily since Israel started its latest genocide. I think you're confusing Zionist PR expenditures with actual support, which is rapidly dwindling for Israel. https://news.gallup.com/poll/657404/less-half-sympathetic-toward-israelis.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/657404/less-half-sympathetic-to...
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > Support for Palestinians has increased steadily since Israel started it's latest genocide I never argued otherwise. I'm saying look at the polling immediately after the protests. Media reporting of atrocities drives down favourability for Israel. Media reporting of the protests drives down favourability for Palestine. It's why, despite favourability for Israel monotonically declining since 2023, its net favourability vis-a-vis Palestine blipped up in '24.
    - mackyspace 2y ago
      That's not true at all and you won't find a poll that backs up what you're saying.
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > That's not true at all and you won't find a poll that backs up what you're saying What's not? Literally look at the Gallup poll you cited [1] to see Palestinian favourability dip in 2024. I'll note that part of it is the media's fascination with the pro-Hamas minority at pro-Palestinian protests. Organisers are getting a little better at screening those folks out. [1] https://news.gallup.com/poll/657404/less-half-sympathetic-toward-israelis.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/657404/less-half-sympathetic-to...
        mackyspace 2y ago
        There's zero evidence that the protests have had negative impact on support for Palestinians. The media is staunchly Zionist, you could make the case the protests have effectively counterbalanced their propaganda.
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > zero evidence that the protests have had negative impact on support for Palestinians Of course there is [1][2]. (You see similar effects from e.g. bridge blocking in the broader protest literature.) And again, what do you think happened in 2024 that caused support for Palestine per your source to drop? > media is staunchly Zionist The population has been broadly pro-Israel until very recently. The media market is, in the end, a market. [1] https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/49311-opinion-on-pro-palestinian-college-campus-protests https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/49311-opinion-on-... [2] https://www.insidehighered.com/news/quick-takes/2024/05/03/poll-nearly-half-adults-oppose-pro-palestinian-protests https://www.insidehighered.com/news/quick-takes/2024/05/03/p...
        mackyspace 2y ago
amitport 1y ago
Don't forget it all came to the center stage after a mass butchering at a music festival, few beheadings and some Jewish babies kidnapped. Pretty effective! What is a little terrorism for a greater good! /S

We're talking about it, so it seems pretty effective to me! The "won't people think of Bill Gate's feelings!" arguments aren't very compelling, just makes you look like you want to be complicit.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> We're talking about it, so it seems pretty effective to me! Talking about an issue is productive if you need to bring awareness to it. There is nobody on the planet who isn't aware that something is happening in Israel and Gaza. And when an issue is this divisive, calling attention to it mobilises both sides. (See polling following the protests at Columbia, for example. Awareness went up. But net support increased more for Israel than Palestine because people just defaulted to their priors.)

mackyspace 2y ago
Support for Palestinians has increased steadily since Israel started its latest genocide. I think you're confusing Zionist PR expenditures with actual support, which is rapidly dwindling for Israel. https://news.gallup.com/poll/657404/less-half-sympathetic-toward-israelis.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/657404/less-half-sympathetic-to...
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > Support for Palestinians has increased steadily since Israel started it's latest genocide I never argued otherwise. I'm saying look at the polling immediately after the protests. Media reporting of atrocities drives down favourability for Israel. Media reporting of the protests drives down favourability for Palestine. It's why, despite favourability for Israel monotonically declining since 2023, its net favourability vis-a-vis Palestine blipped up in '24.
  - mackyspace 2y ago
    That's not true at all and you won't find a poll that backs up what you're saying.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > That's not true at all and you won't find a poll that backs up what you're saying What's not? Literally look at the Gallup poll you cited [1] to see Palestinian favourability dip in 2024. I'll note that part of it is the media's fascination with the pro-Hamas minority at pro-Palestinian protests. Organisers are getting a little better at screening those folks out. [1] https://news.gallup.com/poll/657404/less-half-sympathetic-toward-israelis.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/657404/less-half-sympathetic-to...
      - mackyspace 2y ago
        There's zero evidence that the protests have had negative impact on support for Palestinians. The media is staunchly Zionist, you could make the case the protests have effectively counterbalanced their propaganda.
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > zero evidence that the protests have had negative impact on support for Palestinians Of course there is [1][2]. (You see similar effects from e.g. bridge blocking in the broader protest literature.) And again, what do you think happened in 2024 that caused support for Palestine per your source to drop? > media is staunchly Zionist The population has been broadly pro-Israel until very recently. The media market is, in the end, a market. [1] https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/49311-opinion-on-pro-palestinian-college-campus-protests https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/49311-opinion-on-... [2] https://www.insidehighered.com/news/quick-takes/2024/05/03/poll-nearly-half-adults-oppose-pro-palestinian-protests https://www.insidehighered.com/news/quick-takes/2024/05/03/p...
        mackyspace 2y ago

amitport 1y ago

Don't forget it all came to the center stage after a mass butchering at a music festival, few beheadings and some Jewish babies kidnapped. Pretty effective! What is a little terrorism for a greater good! /S