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They sacrificed their jobs to protest genocide. You are nothing like them.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> They sacrificed their jobs to protest genocide. You are nothing like them. Right, the emphasis is on their sacrifice. Hence why I called it self indulgent. I had about as much effect on the wars I followed as they've had on this one.
- mackyspace 2y ago
  You might want to look up the definition of sacrifice if you think it's synonymous with self-indulgent. It's literally the opposite.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > might want to look up the definition of sacrifice if you think it's synonymous with self-indulgent. It's literally the opposite. It's orthogonal to self indulgence; what defines that is the effect. And it's inherently subjective. I'd argue most religious animal sacrifices are self indulgent. Obviously, the believers think otherwise. (Nobody asks the animal.) In this case, they absolutely made a sacrifice. But the main effect is the fact that they sacrificed something. The sacrifice didn't actually do anything. Contrast that with e.g. putting yourself at risk to save somebody. That is more than performative.
    - mackyspace 2y ago
      Just because you had no reaction to it, it doesn't mean it didn't do anything. I know people at Microsoft and now they're talking internally about this.
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > because you had no reaction to it, it doesn't mean it didn't do anything. I know people at Microsoft and now they're talking internally about this I mean yes, we're all talking about it. I forgot what the protesters at Google who locked themselves into offices were specifically protesting, but everyone I know at Google talked about that, too. (Huh, it was also Israel [1].) This sort of outburst has basically never been an effective form of protest. [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/18/google-terminates-28-employees-after-series-of-protests-read-the-memo.html https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/18/google-terminates-28-employe...
        mackyspace 1y ago
        And yet according to your own posts, support for Israel has never been lower.
        JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        Yeah, they’re bombing kids. Even if it’s legally a military target, you’re not going to win hearts and minds bombing kids. My point is these protests seem to be more about the protesters doing their thing than trying to think about being effective. They’re voicing frustration, not agitating support. That’s fair. But it’s important to see it clearly for what it is, especially if someone wants to do something that’s more than performative.
    - DiogenesKynikos 1y ago
      They gave up six-figure jobs to take a moral stand. Calling that "self-indulgent" is just an attempt at character assassination, and it doesn't even make any sense.

> They sacrificed their jobs to protest genocide. You are nothing like them. Right, the emphasis is on their sacrifice. Hence why I called it self indulgent. I had about as much effect on the wars I followed as they've had on this one.

mackyspace 2y ago
You might want to look up the definition of sacrifice if you think it's synonymous with self-indulgent. It's literally the opposite.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > might want to look up the definition of sacrifice if you think it's synonymous with self-indulgent. It's literally the opposite. It's orthogonal to self indulgence; what defines that is the effect. And it's inherently subjective. I'd argue most religious animal sacrifices are self indulgent. Obviously, the believers think otherwise. (Nobody asks the animal.) In this case, they absolutely made a sacrifice. But the main effect is the fact that they sacrificed something. The sacrifice didn't actually do anything. Contrast that with e.g. putting yourself at risk to save somebody. That is more than performative.
  - mackyspace 2y ago
    Just because you had no reaction to it, it doesn't mean it didn't do anything. I know people at Microsoft and now they're talking internally about this.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > because you had no reaction to it, it doesn't mean it didn't do anything. I know people at Microsoft and now they're talking internally about this I mean yes, we're all talking about it. I forgot what the protesters at Google who locked themselves into offices were specifically protesting, but everyone I know at Google talked about that, too. (Huh, it was also Israel [1].) This sort of outburst has basically never been an effective form of protest. [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/18/google-terminates-28-employees-after-series-of-protests-read-the-memo.html https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/18/google-terminates-28-employe...
      - mackyspace 1y ago
        And yet according to your own posts, support for Israel has never been lower.
        JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        Yeah, they’re bombing kids. Even if it’s legally a military target, you’re not going to win hearts and minds bombing kids. My point is these protests seem to be more about the protesters doing their thing than trying to think about being effective. They’re voicing frustration, not agitating support. That’s fair. But it’s important to see it clearly for what it is, especially if someone wants to do something that’s more than performative.
  - DiogenesKynikos 1y ago
    They gave up six-figure jobs to take a moral stand. Calling that "self-indulgent" is just an attempt at character assassination, and it doesn't even make any sense.