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That doesn’t work and these people have increased awareness of Microsoft’s role in the genocide. We’re literally talking about it now because if their sacrifice
by bbqfog 2y ago
That doesn’t work and these people have increased awareness of Microsoft’s role in the genocide. We’re literally talking about it now because if their sacrifice. Anyone clutching pearls over this was pro-genocide in the first place and not worth catering to.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> these people have increased awareness of Microsoft’s role in the genocide. We’re literally talking about it now because if their sacrifice Every Fortune 500 company does business in Israel, which means it directly or indirectly supports their military. If someone is just learning that I'm not sure how useful they are to anyone's cause.
- bbqfog 2y agoA lot did business with Nazi Germany too. Corporations need to be forced to behave in a moral fashion.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> lot did business with Nazi Germany too And then we told them not to and they (mostly) stopped. The correct way to effect this change is politically. Not at a company anniversary party.
- mackyspace 2y agoWe're talking about it, so it seems pretty effective to me! The "won't people think of Bill Gate's feelings!" arguments aren't very compelling, just makes you look like you want to be complicit.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> We're talking about it, so it seems pretty effective to me! Talking about an issue is productive if you need to bring awareness to it. There is nobody on the planet who isn't aware that something is happening in Israel and Gaza. And when an issue is this divisive, calling attention to it mobilises both sides. (See polling following the protests at Columbia, for example. Awareness went up. But net support increased more for Israel than Palestine because people just defaulted to their priors.)
- mackyspace 2y agoSupport for Palestinians has increased steadily since Israel started its latest genocide. I think you're confusing Zionist PR expenditures with actual support, which is rapidly dwindling for Israel. https://news.gallup.com/poll/657404/less-half-sympathetic-toward-israelis.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/657404/less-half-sympathetic-to...
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> Support for Palestinians has increased steadily since Israel started it's latest genocide I never argued otherwise. I'm saying look at the polling immediately after the protests. Media reporting of atrocities drives down favourability for Israel. Media reporting of the protests drives down favourability for Palestine. It's why, despite favourability for Israel monotonically declining since 2023, its net favourability vis-a-vis Palestine blipped up in '24.
- mackyspace 2y agoThat's not true at all and you won't find a poll that backs up what you're saying.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> That's not true at all and you won't find a poll that backs up what you're saying What's not? Literally look at the Gallup poll you cited [1] to see Palestinian favourability dip in 2024. I'll note that part of it is the media's fascination with the pro-Hamas minority at pro-Palestinian protests. Organisers are getting a little better at screening those folks out. [1] https://news.gallup.com/poll/657404/less-half-sympathetic-toward-israelis.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/657404/less-half-sympathetic-to...
- mackyspace 2y agoThere's zero evidence that the protests have had negative impact on support for Palestinians. The media is staunchly Zionist, you could make the case the protests have effectively counterbalanced their propaganda.
- amitport 1y agoDon't forget it all came to the center stage after a mass butchering at a music festival, few beheadings and some Jewish babies kidnapped. Pretty effective! What is a little terrorism for a greater good! /S
- elmerfud 2y agoIt may not have worked but it would have been the right way to do it. Then after it didn't work they could do more meaningful things that are higher visibility. There's a right order in which to do things which lends credence to what you're doing. Right now they're just viewed as a bunch of idiotic disruptors because they didn't do things in the right order.
- bbqfog 2y agoIs targeting families with ai “the right way to do it”? Office decorum doesn’t even register in importance.
- ndsipa_pomu 2y agoWhenever there's protests, there's always people complaining that the protesters are doing it the wrong way - that's the history of protests and inevitably, the people complaining about the protesters end up on the wrong side of history (e.g. The Suffragettes went completely against the "rules of protesting" with such things as letter bombs).