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> - And yeah, you guys, it's time to buy a suit. No. Those are costumes that benefit no one but the seller of the costume. They wear the costume precisely once

> - And yeah, you guys, it's time to buy a suit. No. Those are costumes that benefit no one but the seller of the costume. They wear the costume precisely once and never put it on again. It's an old classist ritual that forces people to spend money on clothes they dont want or need.

roguecoder 2y ago
You assume we aren't going to end up wearing them daily in order to get promotions. The same elitist power trip that drove RTO is also likely to produce the "dress like us & be rewarded" dynamics that push for conformity.
- roguecoder 2y ago
  In more detail, in a glutted market with an unknown percentage of fakers, companies look for costly signals they can use to sort. This particular signal also indicates a willingness to set aside one's individual ego in order to assimilate in the workplace, which is especially valuable to the companies demanding developers abandon good sense in order to push AI adoption. If we want that signals to not be "a suit", it will need to be something else. But one advantage suits have is that they have served as that signal for so long that they are extremely accessible: just go to the thrift store, take what you find to a tailor and you are good to go. It is very easy to look up what is expected, and there are a variety of ways to trade money for effort or vice versa. The highest-paying developer jobs have always expected programmers to wear suits to the interviews: in a recession those things previously only top payers could demand cascade down market. I don't love it, but I don't think this prediction is wrong.
  - SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
    Man, as a 6'5" guy I wish getting a suit was that simple. > It is very easy to look up what is expected, and there are a variety of ways to trade money for effort or vice versa. This confuses me. Am I doing manual work for my tailor? Am I tailoring my own suit?
  - sterlind 2y ago
    > The highest-paying developer jobs have always expected programmers to wear suits to the interviews. this is the inverse of the hacker aesthetic. you might be right, but it's just sad. personally, I'd assume the candidates that look the most non-conforming would be more talented and creative - more likely to love the work than the paycheck - but maybe it's no surprise that the highest-paying positions look for suits like quants at an investment bank.
  - isbvhodnvemrwvn 2y ago
    Which highest paying dev jobs do you have in mind?
  - sethammons 2y ago
    Outside of fintech, none of the highest paid devs are in suits. Not sure if it is even still a thing in fintech actually. I am FAANG/FAANG adjacent. People making 400-700k/yr. I only see suits at holiday parties.

roguecoder 2y ago

You assume we aren't going to end up wearing them daily in order to get promotions. The same elitist power trip that drove RTO is also likely to produce the "dress like us & be rewarded" dynamics that push for conformity.

roguecoder 2y ago
In more detail, in a glutted market with an unknown percentage of fakers, companies look for costly signals they can use to sort. This particular signal also indicates a willingness to set aside one's individual ego in order to assimilate in the workplace, which is especially valuable to the companies demanding developers abandon good sense in order to push AI adoption. If we want that signals to not be "a suit", it will need to be something else. But one advantage suits have is that they have served as that signal for so long that they are extremely accessible: just go to the thrift store, take what you find to a tailor and you are good to go. It is very easy to look up what is expected, and there are a variety of ways to trade money for effort or vice versa. The highest-paying developer jobs have always expected programmers to wear suits to the interviews: in a recession those things previously only top payers could demand cascade down market. I don't love it, but I don't think this prediction is wrong.
- SketchySeaBeast 2y ago
  Man, as a 6'5" guy I wish getting a suit was that simple. > It is very easy to look up what is expected, and there are a variety of ways to trade money for effort or vice versa. This confuses me. Am I doing manual work for my tailor? Am I tailoring my own suit?
- sterlind 2y ago
  > The highest-paying developer jobs have always expected programmers to wear suits to the interviews. this is the inverse of the hacker aesthetic. you might be right, but it's just sad. personally, I'd assume the candidates that look the most non-conforming would be more talented and creative - more likely to love the work than the paycheck - but maybe it's no surprise that the highest-paying positions look for suits like quants at an investment bank.
- isbvhodnvemrwvn 2y ago
  Which highest paying dev jobs do you have in mind?
- sethammons 2y ago
  Outside of fintech, none of the highest paid devs are in suits. Not sure if it is even still a thing in fintech actually. I am FAANG/FAANG adjacent. People making 400-700k/yr. I only see suits at holiday parties.