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Or maybe the music industry? I feel like there's more music than ever, but none of it seems to be of much value and/or lasting cultural impact. It doesn't see

Or maybe the music industry? I feel like there's more music than ever, but none of it seems to be of much value and/or lasting cultural impact. It doesn't seem like it's gotten better with easier accessibility to tools, just there's a lot more options for you if you are a fan of a certain genre. I can see games being similar, maybe a few creative people invent new genres never seen before, or mix elements in creative ways with AI tools, but I'm guessing it will more likely mean a lot of slight variations of games that bring in money churned out quickly.

ironman1478 2y ago
I think when it comes to music, it's really disheartening to hear people say it hasn't gotten better. There is a lot of good music coming out in so many genres, but it really requires actively seeking it out.
- fullshark 2y ago
  I've dug pretty deep in the genres I like...it's just all slight variations imo of the work the trendsetting artists did establishing the genre in the first place as far as I can tell.
  - lostmsu 2y ago
    You might have just gotten older.
- hlfshell 2y ago
  The issue is that as music progresses and changes so too does distribution networks. Traditional, or even nontraditional to those from the pre spotify internet days, pipelines of music discovery have been largely co-opted by industry. Outlets of organic discovery are different now - and people typically don't continually keep changing their habits enough to keep up with it. Pair this with the fact that most people settle their musical tastes to be in line with when they are experiencing the most emotionally significant time in their early lives (high school for some, college for others, etc) and the result is an assumption that A) What they encounter forms an overall opinion of "all" new music despite being the tip of the iceberg and B) It's not as good as what they grew up on
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  Because algorithmic curation shifted from what's quality to what's "sellable". That's a part of why you get sentiments that "media got worse". Hardcore media fans will still scour and find proper curations themselves (or be he curator), but the default of just letting Spotify or Netflix tell what's "quality" is long over. Another little cut on why people are trusting big tech less ad less.
falcor84 2y ago
> I feel like there's more music than ever, but none of it seems to be of much value and/or lasting cultural impact. I'm sorry, but this seems exactly like what every single generation says. I'm pretty sure that I read some similar quotes aimed at the Beatles back in the 60s.
- fullshark 2y ago
  I've thought of that, but there is a trend of a retreat from newer music, this isn't just a generation gap speaking. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/01/old-music-killing-new-music/621339/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/01/old-music-... A lot of what's happening is imo is just there's so much more competition for attention, and music has lost value as a cultural force beyond the music itself for younger people than it used to have, when young people would develop parasocial relationships or "crushes" or build their self-identity on pop stars and their fandom. A lot of this power culturally has been balkanized. Speaking of the music itself, once the economic incentive is removed to create great songs (we are there already) we will get fewer great songs. That force is countering the fact that we have more tools and distribution channels than ever to create great songs, and those two forces are in opposition and to me, it seems like the fewer great songs force is winning (subjective).
keybored 2y ago
> Or maybe the music industry? I feel like there's more music than ever, but none of it seems to be of much value and/or lasting cultural impact. It doesn't seem like it's gotten better with easier accessibility to tools, just there's a lot more options for you if you are a fan of a certain genre. You both listen to so much music and have a palette that is so wide-ranging that you can somewhat objectively judge it as not having gotten better?
- fullshark 2y ago
  How do you objectively judge that? It's just my opinion, value that for what its worth to you (sounds like not much).
  - keybored 2y ago
    I gave leeway with “somewhat objectively” but do shy away from your wide-sweeping statement immediately for all I care.
gwbas1c 2y ago
> I feel like there's more music than ever, but none of it seems to be of much value and/or lasting cultural impact. It's always been that way, especially before mass-produced recordings were available. The "Beatles" period was partly because you had to choose wisely what you were going to spend your limited dollars on when you went to the record shop. The difference today is that recording technology is cheap, and, with streaming, you don't have to "choose wisely" when you go to the record store. Now all of the mediocre artists, who were generally excluded from the "Beatles" period, can get on streaming platforms. BTW: There's awesome music coming out today. It just takes time for word to spread.

ironman1478 2y ago

I think when it comes to music, it's really disheartening to hear people say it hasn't gotten better. There is a lot of good music coming out in so many genres, but it really requires actively seeking it out.

fullshark 2y ago
I've dug pretty deep in the genres I like...it's just all slight variations imo of the work the trendsetting artists did establishing the genre in the first place as far as I can tell.
- lostmsu 2y ago
  You might have just gotten older.
hlfshell 2y ago
The issue is that as music progresses and changes so too does distribution networks. Traditional, or even nontraditional to those from the pre spotify internet days, pipelines of music discovery have been largely co-opted by industry. Outlets of organic discovery are different now - and people typically don't continually keep changing their habits enough to keep up with it. Pair this with the fact that most people settle their musical tastes to be in line with when they are experiencing the most emotionally significant time in their early lives (high school for some, college for others, etc) and the result is an assumption that A) What they encounter forms an overall opinion of "all" new music despite being the tip of the iceberg and B) It's not as good as what they grew up on
johnnyanmac 2y ago
Because algorithmic curation shifted from what's quality to what's "sellable". That's a part of why you get sentiments that "media got worse". Hardcore media fans will still scour and find proper curations themselves (or be he curator), but the default of just letting Spotify or Netflix tell what's "quality" is long over. Another little cut on why people are trusting big tech less ad less.

falcor84 2y ago

> I feel like there's more music than ever, but none of it seems to be of much value and/or lasting cultural impact. I'm sorry, but this seems exactly like what every single generation says. I'm pretty sure that I read some similar quotes aimed at the Beatles back in the 60s.

fullshark 2y ago
I've thought of that, but there is a trend of a retreat from newer music, this isn't just a generation gap speaking. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/01/old-music-killing-new-music/621339/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/01/old-music-... A lot of what's happening is imo is just there's so much more competition for attention, and music has lost value as a cultural force beyond the music itself for younger people than it used to have, when young people would develop parasocial relationships or "crushes" or build their self-identity on pop stars and their fandom. A lot of this power culturally has been balkanized. Speaking of the music itself, once the economic incentive is removed to create great songs (we are there already) we will get fewer great songs. That force is countering the fact that we have more tools and distribution channels than ever to create great songs, and those two forces are in opposition and to me, it seems like the fewer great songs force is winning (subjective).

keybored 2y ago

> Or maybe the music industry? I feel like there's more music than ever, but none of it seems to be of much value and/or lasting cultural impact. It doesn't seem like it's gotten better with easier accessibility to tools, just there's a lot more options for you if you are a fan of a certain genre. You both listen to so much music and have a palette that is so wide-ranging that you can somewhat objectively judge it as not having gotten better?

fullshark 2y ago
How do you objectively judge that? It's just my opinion, value that for what its worth to you (sounds like not much).
- keybored 2y ago
  I gave leeway with “somewhat objectively” but do shy away from your wide-sweeping statement immediately for all I care.

gwbas1c 2y ago

> I feel like there's more music than ever, but none of it seems to be of much value and/or lasting cultural impact. It's always been that way, especially before mass-produced recordings were available. The "Beatles" period was partly because you had to choose wisely what you were going to spend your limited dollars on when you went to the record shop. The difference today is that recording technology is cheap, and, with streaming, you don't have to "choose wisely" when you go to the record store. Now all of the mediocre artists, who were generally excluded from the "Beatles" period, can get on streaming platforms. BTW: There's awesome music coming out today. It just takes time for word to spread.