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Doesn't the crime rate go down when Republicans hold the power? I think the crime rate is a major concern for every tourist. Doesn't Florida have a much lower

Doesn't the crime rate go down when Republicans hold the power? I think the crime rate is a major concern for every tourist. Doesn't Florida have a much lower crime rate than California? As a tourist, I rather visit Florida than California.

d3nj4l 2y ago
Yeah, tourists like to go to places with low crime rates. In fact, when I’m a tourist, I pick where to go solely based on the crime rates!
- DeathArrow 2y ago
  I hope that's true. In some places there are high chances to be robbed, killed or kidnapped as a tourist. The more wealthy you seem to the criminals, the higher the danger.
the_af 2y ago
I'm not sure if that's sarcasm or not. I'll answer assuming it's in earnest. > Doesn't the crime rate go down when Republicans hold the power? Does it? And what about police brutality? As a tourist, I'd rather go to a country where I'm less likely to be treated badly by the police. > As a tourist, I rather visit Florida than California. I think this in general has very little to do with crime rates. There are confounding factors. I'd rather not visit Florida regardless of crime rate.
- DeathArrow 2y ago
  >Does it? And what about police brutality? As a tourist, I'd rather go to a country where I'm less likely to be treated badly by the police. Why would the police treat you bad? I you don't commit any crime it's most likely you have nothing to do with the police.
  - the_af 2y ago
    > Why would the police treat you bad? I you don't commit any crime it's most likely you have nothing to do with the police. It's not true, in general, that police won't treat you badly as long as you don't commit a crime. (As an aside, you also have to interact with police officers if you've been the victim of a crime, and again, there's no guarantee they'll treat you well in this situation either). Same with border officers.
mcphage 2y ago
> Doesn't the crime rate go down when Republicans hold the power? I don't think that's true—or at least, not a strong correlation. Crime rates were going significantly down since the early 90s, regardless who is in power. There was a smaller spike during COVID years, which has I believe returned to normal. > I think the crime rate is a major concern for every tourist. It is, but it isn't the only concern, and ICE sending tourists to prison is by definition not a crime, but is just as relevant to potential tourists. > As a tourist, I rather visit Florida than California. I really don't think you really want to look at the state level crime rates, you should look at the crime rate for the place you're going to visit. For instance, the violent crime rate in Florida was 260 per 100k people in 2022 (according to Wikipedia)... but if you're going to Walt Disney World, specifically: it's a whole lot less.
triceratops 2y ago
> Doesn't the crime rate go down when Republicans hold the power? Federally? There's no reason to think the federal government changing hands would impact local crime rates. Overall violent crime has seen steady decline from the 1970s to the present day. [1] That period has seen both Democratic and Republican administrations. At the state level it's a different picture. 8 of the top 10, and 17 of the top 25 states for homicide rate are "red" states.[2] I think poverty and per-capita income rates in a state are a better predictor of crime rates than which party is specifically in power. > Doesn't Florida have a much lower crime rate than California? If you consume exclusively right-wing news media (or your favorite social media ragebait) you'd have that impression. Depending on your source they're either about equal (FBI stats) over the past 2 decades or Florida's murder rate is higher (CDC).[2] Either way it is not "much lower". For "much" lower I'd go to states like Massachusetts, Utah, or Hawaii which have murder rates closer to Western Europe. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#Crime_over_time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#Cri... 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_intentional_homicide_rate#Homicide_rates_by_year:_FBI_data https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territ...

d3nj4l 2y ago

Yeah, tourists like to go to places with low crime rates. In fact, when I’m a tourist, I pick where to go solely based on the crime rates!

DeathArrow 2y ago
I hope that's true. In some places there are high chances to be robbed, killed or kidnapped as a tourist. The more wealthy you seem to the criminals, the higher the danger.

the_af 2y ago

I'm not sure if that's sarcasm or not. I'll answer assuming it's in earnest. > Doesn't the crime rate go down when Republicans hold the power? Does it? And what about police brutality? As a tourist, I'd rather go to a country where I'm less likely to be treated badly by the police. > As a tourist, I rather visit Florida than California. I think this in general has very little to do with crime rates. There are confounding factors. I'd rather not visit Florida regardless of crime rate.

DeathArrow 2y ago
>Does it? And what about police brutality? As a tourist, I'd rather go to a country where I'm less likely to be treated badly by the police. Why would the police treat you bad? I you don't commit any crime it's most likely you have nothing to do with the police.
- the_af 2y ago
  > Why would the police treat you bad? I you don't commit any crime it's most likely you have nothing to do with the police. It's not true, in general, that police won't treat you badly as long as you don't commit a crime. (As an aside, you also have to interact with police officers if you've been the victim of a crime, and again, there's no guarantee they'll treat you well in this situation either). Same with border officers.

mcphage 2y ago

> Doesn't the crime rate go down when Republicans hold the power? I don't think that's true—or at least, not a strong correlation. Crime rates were going significantly down since the early 90s, regardless who is in power. There was a smaller spike during COVID years, which has I believe returned to normal. > I think the crime rate is a major concern for every tourist. It is, but it isn't the only concern, and ICE sending tourists to prison is by definition not a crime, but is just as relevant to potential tourists. > As a tourist, I rather visit Florida than California. I really don't think you really want to look at the state level crime rates, you should look at the crime rate for the place you're going to visit. For instance, the violent crime rate in Florida was 260 per 100k people in 2022 (according to Wikipedia)... but if you're going to Walt Disney World, specifically: it's a whole lot less.

triceratops 2y ago

> Doesn't the crime rate go down when Republicans hold the power? Federally? There's no reason to think the federal government changing hands would impact local crime rates. Overall violent crime has seen steady decline from the 1970s to the present day. [1] That period has seen both Democratic and Republican administrations. At the state level it's a different picture. 8 of the top 10, and 17 of the top 25 states for homicide rate are "red" states.[2] I think poverty and per-capita income rates in a state are a better predictor of crime rates than which party is specifically in power. > Doesn't Florida have a much lower crime rate than California? If you consume exclusively right-wing news media (or your favorite social media ragebait) you'd have that impression. Depending on your source they're either about equal (FBI stats) over the past 2 decades or Florida's murder rate is higher (CDC).[2] Either way it is not "much lower". For "much" lower I'd go to states like Massachusetts, Utah, or Hawaii which have murder rates closer to Western Europe. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#Crime_over_time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#Cri... 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_intentional_homicide_rate#Homicide_rates_by_year:_FBI_data https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territ...