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I see all these articles about Canadian and European hate for the US, and anti-US sentiment in general. They all sadden me. The US is made up of 350 million pe

by avalys 2y ago

I see all these articles about Canadian and European hate for the US, and anti-US sentiment in general. They all sadden me. The US is made up of 350 million people. Only one of them is Donald Trump. Most of the country didn’t vote for him. We still value our friends and allies, even if the stooge Putin got elected does not.

marvin 2y ago
Norwegian here. People collectively lost their minds after the 2024 election. The USA is a great country, embodying values that bring out the best in humanity. You don't deserve this hate.
askonomm 2y ago
I mean the rot goes much deeper than Donald Trump. Most of the US cabinet and top leaders are actively hostile towards what used to be ally states. Spreading lies, propaganda, insults and threatening to invade and take away our land. Meanwhile treating its own people like slaves. USA has become almost indistinguishable from Russia in that regard.
- adamc 2y ago
  The Cabinet was all selected by DJT and approved by a compliant Senate despite historically poor qualifications. It reflects the dynamics of the Republican party, and that they won the election tells you something about America.
throaway1989 2y ago
They should make you sad. The leader of your country said we suck and that we would be better off being a part of the USA (and that he would MAKE us be a part of the USA)! It doesn't matter how many of you didn't vote for him when hes the one making the decisions.
kccqzy 2y ago
Trump won the popular vote unfortunately. Most of the country couldn't vote at all because they are immigrants (not citizens) or because of any of the structural reasons why they couldn't take time off to vote or they were intimated at the ballot box. Voting day still isn't a federal holiday.
- bilbo0s 2y ago
  The bad news is that 2024 was one of those elections where both candidates were so bad, that the winner didn't even manage to get 50% of the cast votes. https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/elections/2024 https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/elections/2024 Trump/Vance got 49.1% of the popular vote, and Kamala/Walz got 48.3% of the popular vote. None of those clowns even cracked 50%. The candidates were so bad, that you could win without getting a majority of the popular vote. So, yeah, just a wholesale failure by both sides to inspire the vast majority of Americans. I guess right now, we're kind of seeing why no one was enthused about these guys being in power.
  - throaway1989 2y ago
    Three elections (at least) where both candidates are historically bad.
  - atkailash 2y ago
    [dead]
  - mikestew 2y ago
    John F. Kennedy couldn’t get 50% against Richard Nixon, as just one of many examples of a fine candidate winning with less than 50% of the popular vote.
- ciupicri 2y ago
  Why would immigrants who are not citizens vote? Anyway, what about vote by mail? Also voting day could be changed to Sunday.
  - kccqzy 2y ago
    They couldn't. That's why voters don't represent "most of the country" in any way.
Teever 2y ago
You gotta understand, the rest of the world doesn't see you as woke/Maga or red/blue or rural/urban -- they just see you as American. It doesn't matter if you didn't vote for this guy. You collectively didn't do enough to stop him from getting reelected and now you're not doing enough to stop him from hurting former allies. Fix your domestic problems and then we can look towards starting up a dialogue of reconciliation.
- throaway1989 2y ago
  As a Canadian, it's not even that. Im not holding someone responsible for what their political opposites do. It's just not safe or smart to be close to America right now. And it may never be again. And that's fine. This is not the beginning of resentment towards America. It has been there for a very long time, because America has been the global hegemon and has been ruthless in keeping its position.
oblio 2y ago
Trump was elected twice. The fact that that happened shows something is deeply wrong in the US. The US government, (mostly) democratically elected, has decided to harm the rest of the world. Even if there are good people in the US, they can't seem to win. So one could argue, what use are the good people in the US, for everyone else? So the reaction is kind of expected and natural.
- bilbo0s 2y ago
  Fair point. I'll allow it. But that doesn't change the fact that there are good people in the US. But good and bad are a bit irrelevant. I believe it was a mistake to go poking Europe with a stick because there are 600 million people there. Most far better educated than us. They were perfectly contented to sleep in the then current global order, and willing to help with maintaining that order if called on in an emergency. For some incomprehensible reason, we decide to go over there and poke that lion? I don't get it because I genuinely believe that Europe would be the best partner for the US. It's not because I'm "good" or "bad", but because I believe close relations with Europe are good for this republic. Now obviously, in the US at the moment, mine is not the consensus view. That's fine. But I believe it's gonna cost us. China and the EU will become closer. All of Asia will begin to realize there is more to be gained by working together than working at odds with each other. And heaven help the rest of the world if the Europeans, the Chinese, and the Africans ever figure out that if they work together they don't really need the rest of us.
  - abenga 2y ago
    > But that doesn't change the fact that there are good people in the US. That doesn't matter when the bad people are running the border crossing and could ruin your life on a whim.
  - UncleEntity 2y ago
    > And heaven help the rest of the world if the Europeans, the Chinese, and the Africans ever figure out that if they work together they don't really need the rest of us. That's the part I just don't understand, they think after the willful crash of the US economy the rest of the world will bail us out because... It makes a lot more sense to invest the "seven trillion dollars" or whatever number they're throwing around in their own economies rather than build up the manufacturing base of someone else. Spanish factories in Spain versus Spanish factories in the US. Then, assuming these companies do invest all this money in the US, they will just complain how the foreigners are buying up all the "strategic assets" and are a "clear and present danger" to American Sovereignty. America is not for sale, don't ya know?
a_bonobo 2y ago
Is Trump personally disappearing these students of the streets? Is it Trump personally detaining and 'violently interrogating' people at the border? Is it Trump personally shutting down USAID? Is it Trump personally calculating these insane tariffs? Is it Trump personally going into schools to deport children? No, that's regular US Americans helping Trump.
ajb 2y ago
This sort of thing doesn't happen because of just one person. The situation reminds me of the (fictionalised) account of the Roman Empire in "I Claudius": the narrator remarks that corruption had well set in in the centre under Tiberius, but everything looked ok to those outside the City until the madness of Caligula. That's not to say that the majority of Americans are bad people, but the political culture must have been diseased for some time for this to be possible.
buyucu 2y ago
It's not just Trump. US was already very hostile to the rest of the world and Trump just dialed it up to 11.
easyThrowaway 2y ago
Hate? I get we're on a completely different page - but if you asked most people in Canada or EU right now they would tell you we're scared, not hateful. We're fully aware that the guy who put tariffs because he got angry at us on a whim is the same guy who can launch the nukes.
puttycat 2y ago
The person you named did get 49.8% of the popular vote (77M people)
stephen_g 2y ago
There’s not a lot of hate of the American people, but unfortunately we have to deal with the US Government when travelling and deal with their trade framework with importing and exporting. If anything I feel sympathy for the American people now that I and many others feel strongly compelled to avoid US services and products, and avoid travelling and spending my tourist and business dollars into your economy based on the actions of Trump and the Republicans!
burnished 2y ago
Our collective will put him in power. I'm eliding how much more complicated it is than that because it is important to recognize that he represents us in big and meaningful ways and minimizing that by calling him as just one of us is to live in denial.
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by avalys 2y ago

marvin 2y ago

Norwegian here. People collectively lost their minds after the 2024 election. The USA is a great country, embodying values that bring out the best in humanity. You don't deserve this hate.

askonomm 2y ago

I mean the rot goes much deeper than Donald Trump. Most of the US cabinet and top leaders are actively hostile towards what used to be ally states. Spreading lies, propaganda, insults and threatening to invade and take away our land. Meanwhile treating its own people like slaves. USA has become almost indistinguishable from Russia in that regard.

adamc 2y ago
The Cabinet was all selected by DJT and approved by a compliant Senate despite historically poor qualifications. It reflects the dynamics of the Republican party, and that they won the election tells you something about America.

throaway1989 2y ago

They should make you sad. The leader of your country said we suck and that we would be better off being a part of the USA (and that he would MAKE us be a part of the USA)! It doesn't matter how many of you didn't vote for him when hes the one making the decisions.

kccqzy 2y ago

Trump won the popular vote unfortunately. Most of the country couldn't vote at all because they are immigrants (not citizens) or because of any of the structural reasons why they couldn't take time off to vote or they were intimated at the ballot box. Voting day still isn't a federal holiday.

bilbo0s 2y ago
The bad news is that 2024 was one of those elections where both candidates were so bad, that the winner didn't even manage to get 50% of the cast votes. https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/elections/2024 https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/elections/2024 Trump/Vance got 49.1% of the popular vote, and Kamala/Walz got 48.3% of the popular vote. None of those clowns even cracked 50%. The candidates were so bad, that you could win without getting a majority of the popular vote. So, yeah, just a wholesale failure by both sides to inspire the vast majority of Americans. I guess right now, we're kind of seeing why no one was enthused about these guys being in power.
- throaway1989 2y ago
  Three elections (at least) where both candidates are historically bad.
- atkailash 2y ago
  [dead]
- mikestew 2y ago
  John F. Kennedy couldn’t get 50% against Richard Nixon, as just one of many examples of a fine candidate winning with less than 50% of the popular vote.
ciupicri 2y ago
Why would immigrants who are not citizens vote? Anyway, what about vote by mail? Also voting day could be changed to Sunday.
- kccqzy 2y ago
  They couldn't. That's why voters don't represent "most of the country" in any way.

Teever 2y ago

You gotta understand, the rest of the world doesn't see you as woke/Maga or red/blue or rural/urban -- they just see you as American. It doesn't matter if you didn't vote for this guy. You collectively didn't do enough to stop him from getting reelected and now you're not doing enough to stop him from hurting former allies. Fix your domestic problems and then we can look towards starting up a dialogue of reconciliation.

throaway1989 2y ago
As a Canadian, it's not even that. Im not holding someone responsible for what their political opposites do. It's just not safe or smart to be close to America right now. And it may never be again. And that's fine. This is not the beginning of resentment towards America. It has been there for a very long time, because America has been the global hegemon and has been ruthless in keeping its position.

oblio 2y ago

Trump was elected twice. The fact that that happened shows something is deeply wrong in the US. The US government, (mostly) democratically elected, has decided to harm the rest of the world. Even if there are good people in the US, they can't seem to win. So one could argue, what use are the good people in the US, for everyone else? So the reaction is kind of expected and natural.

bilbo0s 2y ago
Fair point. I'll allow it. But that doesn't change the fact that there are good people in the US. But good and bad are a bit irrelevant. I believe it was a mistake to go poking Europe with a stick because there are 600 million people there. Most far better educated than us. They were perfectly contented to sleep in the then current global order, and willing to help with maintaining that order if called on in an emergency. For some incomprehensible reason, we decide to go over there and poke that lion? I don't get it because I genuinely believe that Europe would be the best partner for the US. It's not because I'm "good" or "bad", but because I believe close relations with Europe are good for this republic. Now obviously, in the US at the moment, mine is not the consensus view. That's fine. But I believe it's gonna cost us. China and the EU will become closer. All of Asia will begin to realize there is more to be gained by working together than working at odds with each other. And heaven help the rest of the world if the Europeans, the Chinese, and the Africans ever figure out that if they work together they don't really need the rest of us.
- abenga 2y ago
  > But that doesn't change the fact that there are good people in the US. That doesn't matter when the bad people are running the border crossing and could ruin your life on a whim.
- UncleEntity 2y ago
  > And heaven help the rest of the world if the Europeans, the Chinese, and the Africans ever figure out that if they work together they don't really need the rest of us. That's the part I just don't understand, they think after the willful crash of the US economy the rest of the world will bail us out because... It makes a lot more sense to invest the "seven trillion dollars" or whatever number they're throwing around in their own economies rather than build up the manufacturing base of someone else. Spanish factories in Spain versus Spanish factories in the US. Then, assuming these companies do invest all this money in the US, they will just complain how the foreigners are buying up all the "strategic assets" and are a "clear and present danger" to American Sovereignty. America is not for sale, don't ya know?

a_bonobo 2y ago

Is Trump personally disappearing these students of the streets? Is it Trump personally detaining and 'violently interrogating' people at the border? Is it Trump personally shutting down USAID? Is it Trump personally calculating these insane tariffs? Is it Trump personally going into schools to deport children? No, that's regular US Americans helping Trump.

ajb 2y ago

This sort of thing doesn't happen because of just one person. The situation reminds me of the (fictionalised) account of the Roman Empire in "I Claudius": the narrator remarks that corruption had well set in in the centre under Tiberius, but everything looked ok to those outside the City until the madness of Caligula. That's not to say that the majority of Americans are bad people, but the political culture must have been diseased for some time for this to be possible.

buyucu 2y ago

It's not just Trump. US was already very hostile to the rest of the world and Trump just dialed it up to 11.

easyThrowaway 2y ago

Hate? I get we're on a completely different page - but if you asked most people in Canada or EU right now they would tell you we're scared, not hateful. We're fully aware that the guy who put tariffs because he got angry at us on a whim is the same guy who can launch the nukes.

puttycat 2y ago

The person you named did get 49.8% of the popular vote (77M people)

stephen_g 2y ago

There’s not a lot of hate of the American people, but unfortunately we have to deal with the US Government when travelling and deal with their trade framework with importing and exporting. If anything I feel sympathy for the American people now that I and many others feel strongly compelled to avoid US services and products, and avoid travelling and spending my tourist and business dollars into your economy based on the actions of Trump and the Republicans!

burnished 2y ago

Our collective will put him in power. I'm eliding how much more complicated it is than that because it is important to recognize that he represents us in big and meaningful ways and minimizing that by calling him as just one of us is to live in denial.

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