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Do you think the US is a monoculture?

by davidmurdoch 2y ago

dfxm12 2y ago
Law enforcement is a monoculture.
- davidmurdoch 2y ago
  The comment I replied to is about US tourism. What are you referring to?
  - dfxm12 2y ago
    The quote But yes, there is also the political climate coupled with the article & what's generally going on in the world.
    - davidmurdoch 2y ago
      Did you honestly think my question about monoculture was directed at their "political climate" comment and not the comment about cost? I did not think their comments implied a connection between the value of being a tourist in the US and a their concerns over politics. Maybe if it were much cheaper they wouldn't care about the politics, but that doesn't seem likely to me.
      - dfxm12 2y ago
        Yes, but reading over this thread, you've made it clear how you've misinterpreted the post you originally responded to.
        davidmurdoch 2y ago
        How so? The article doesn't mention the value of travel in the US. The comment "It also happens to be ridiculously overpriced for what you get as a tourist" is clearly adding an _another_ reason they (suspect?) tourism declined. It is followed with "But yes, there is also the political climate.", which I interpreted as an agreement with the reasons in the article -- that the decline was due to the political climate. How is that a misinterpretation? It seems likely and reasonable that that the "ridiculously overpriced" comment is being stated because they meant it is _additional_ reason for the decline - as it is one not stated in the article.
        dfxm12 2y ago
        The biggest reason is that pricing is not part of local culture. Politics is. To take this a step further, it doesn't matter where you enter the country, even if it is a place where the people are generally nice and specifically sympathetic to tourists getting detained, the first person you're dealing with is an LEO at border control & they are all following the same orders. They appear to be going out of their way to look for reasons (on your cell phone, tattoos, etc.) to send you back home. God forbid you have a run in with another cop after you've entered the country...
otikik 2y ago
No, they said it is "ridiculously overpriced for what you get as a tourist". Which now includes a possibility of getting detained while trying to enter.
- davidmurdoch 2y ago
  Do you think they were talking about ICE because they mentioned the cost of tourism? I don't think they were referring to risk of detainment with that comment.
  - otikik 2y ago
    It does count for me. The border crossing is the first experience that you get from a country. It has definitely gone worse. And it was not great to begin with. In the past, I had the ... pleasure ... of being put in the "back room" for 3 hours after a long transatlantic flight at SFO. I was not afraid then, just annoyed and tired. I would be afraid now and I would rather avoid it. There's many other places I can choose to visit.
    - davidmurdoch 2y ago
      Interesting. If I have reservations of a government the cost of the trip isn't a consideration. I've forgone all-expenses-paid trips (for work-related conferences) to foreign countries because of the politics at the time.
    - ty6853 2y ago
      I am still in debt from the last time they took me to the back room, did some kind of x-ray which detected my belt buckle. They declared the belt buckle was actually drugs up my ass, they strip searched me, and they then dragged me to two different hospitals chained and shackled and then sent me the bill when nothing was found. For this, the AUSA issued a retroactive search warrant, signed after they did it.
      - davidmurdoch 2y ago
throaway1989 2y ago
Why don't you just ask what they are referring to instead of bringing out the snarky gotcha comments...
- davidmurdoch 2y ago
  You think I'M snarky?! This isn't Reddit. A good faith interpretation of what they said wouldn't include projecting fear-mongering politics into their meaning.
  - throaway1989 2y ago
    Your comment is very reddit-esque. "do you think the US is a monoculture?" implying that the commenter does think that, and that that thought is ignorant and absurd. Instead of asking what they are referring to so you can discuss the point they're making. What fear mongering politics? The commenter is obviously talking about the reported cases of people being detained, deported, and harassed for their political views.
    - davidmurdoch 2y ago
      > implying that the commenter does think that, and that that thought is ignorant and absurd It is a widely held view of the US by many foreigners; they don't conceptualize how big and diverse the US is. I thought a perfectly reasonable and likely interpretation of their comment is that the later sentence, with the "also" does not connect their `value of being a tourism in the US` comment to the political climate. Other commenters here apparently do weigh the cost of travel with the risk the government of the country will detain them.
      - throaway1989 2y ago
        Right, so you are assuming in bad faith, instead of just asking their point and refuting it!
  - FredPret 2y ago
    A good faith interpretation of that comment is that they're curious about the US, and might like to explore, but that the US is expensive. The monoculture thing came only from you.
riehwvfbk 2y ago
It's not a monoculture, but there aren't many places on a typical tourist's itinerary that aren't also 3-5x the price of a European, Asian, South American, or Caribbean destination. It doesn't make US tourism bad, but at a 5x price differential one may weigh whether they want to see the Grand Canyon or Hawaii that much more than the Andes or Malta. There may be underappreciated gems in the US, but the fact that they are underappreciated also means they aren't popular destinations for mass tourism.

Do you think the US is a monoculture?

dfxm12 2y ago

Law enforcement is a monoculture.

davidmurdoch 2y ago
The comment I replied to is about US tourism. What are you referring to?
- dfxm12 2y ago
  The quote But yes, there is also the political climate coupled with the article & what's generally going on in the world.
  - davidmurdoch 2y ago
    Did you honestly think my question about monoculture was directed at their "political climate" comment and not the comment about cost? I did not think their comments implied a connection between the value of being a tourist in the US and a their concerns over politics. Maybe if it were much cheaper they wouldn't care about the politics, but that doesn't seem likely to me.
    - dfxm12 2y ago
      Yes, but reading over this thread, you've made it clear how you've misinterpreted the post you originally responded to.
      - davidmurdoch 2y ago
        How so? The article doesn't mention the value of travel in the US. The comment "It also happens to be ridiculously overpriced for what you get as a tourist" is clearly adding an _another_ reason they (suspect?) tourism declined. It is followed with "But yes, there is also the political climate.", which I interpreted as an agreement with the reasons in the article -- that the decline was due to the political climate. How is that a misinterpretation? It seems likely and reasonable that that the "ridiculously overpriced" comment is being stated because they meant it is _additional_ reason for the decline - as it is one not stated in the article.
        dfxm12 2y ago
        The biggest reason is that pricing is not part of local culture. Politics is. To take this a step further, it doesn't matter where you enter the country, even if it is a place where the people are generally nice and specifically sympathetic to tourists getting detained, the first person you're dealing with is an LEO at border control & they are all following the same orders. They appear to be going out of their way to look for reasons (on your cell phone, tattoos, etc.) to send you back home. God forbid you have a run in with another cop after you've entered the country...

otikik 2y ago

No, they said it is "ridiculously overpriced for what you get as a tourist". Which now includes a possibility of getting detained while trying to enter.

davidmurdoch 2y ago
Do you think they were talking about ICE because they mentioned the cost of tourism? I don't think they were referring to risk of detainment with that comment.
- otikik 2y ago
  It does count for me. The border crossing is the first experience that you get from a country. It has definitely gone worse. And it was not great to begin with. In the past, I had the ... pleasure ... of being put in the "back room" for 3 hours after a long transatlantic flight at SFO. I was not afraid then, just annoyed and tired. I would be afraid now and I would rather avoid it. There's many other places I can choose to visit.
  - davidmurdoch 2y ago
    Interesting. If I have reservations of a government the cost of the trip isn't a consideration. I've forgone all-expenses-paid trips (for work-related conferences) to foreign countries because of the politics at the time.
  - ty6853 2y ago
    I am still in debt from the last time they took me to the back room, did some kind of x-ray which detected my belt buckle. They declared the belt buckle was actually drugs up my ass, they strip searched me, and they then dragged me to two different hospitals chained and shackled and then sent me the bill when nothing was found. For this, the AUSA issued a retroactive search warrant, signed after they did it.
    - davidmurdoch 2y ago

throaway1989 2y ago

Why don't you just ask what they are referring to instead of bringing out the snarky gotcha comments...

davidmurdoch 2y ago
You think I'M snarky?! This isn't Reddit. A good faith interpretation of what they said wouldn't include projecting fear-mongering politics into their meaning.
- throaway1989 2y ago
  Your comment is very reddit-esque. "do you think the US is a monoculture?" implying that the commenter does think that, and that that thought is ignorant and absurd. Instead of asking what they are referring to so you can discuss the point they're making. What fear mongering politics? The commenter is obviously talking about the reported cases of people being detained, deported, and harassed for their political views.
  - davidmurdoch 2y ago
    > implying that the commenter does think that, and that that thought is ignorant and absurd It is a widely held view of the US by many foreigners; they don't conceptualize how big and diverse the US is. I thought a perfectly reasonable and likely interpretation of their comment is that the later sentence, with the "also" does not connect their `value of being a tourism in the US` comment to the political climate. Other commenters here apparently do weigh the cost of travel with the risk the government of the country will detain them.
    - throaway1989 2y ago
      Right, so you are assuming in bad faith, instead of just asking their point and refuting it!
- FredPret 2y ago
  A good faith interpretation of that comment is that they're curious about the US, and might like to explore, but that the US is expensive. The monoculture thing came only from you.

riehwvfbk 2y ago

It's not a monoculture, but there aren't many places on a typical tourist's itinerary that aren't also 3-5x the price of a European, Asian, South American, or Caribbean destination. It doesn't make US tourism bad, but at a 5x price differential one may weigh whether they want to see the Grand Canyon or Hawaii that much more than the Andes or Malta. There may be underappreciated gems in the US, but the fact that they are underappreciated also means they aren't popular destinations for mass tourism.