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Detention is already bad enough, but then reading something like this: https://bleedingcool.com/comics/british-comic-creator-r-e-burke-banned-from-visiting-usa

Detention is already bad enough, but then reading something like this: https://bleedingcool.com/comics/british-comic-creator-r-e-burke-banned-from-visiting-usa-for-10-years/ https://bleedingcool.com/comics/british-comic-creator-r-e-bu... "While every item in her bag was swabbed and dismantled, she was subjected to a full body search. "I was in this very loud, weird, industrial space with pipes and conveyor belts and lights and sirens, being told to open my legs. I was silently crying, watching all my stuff being torn apart as someone else was searching every crevice of me." I can't understand how this is allowed to happen.

brookst 1y ago
It makes sense if you view it as an intentional effort to demonize the US. Terrorizing visiting tourists is a great way to get the “we are crazy, your best never come here” message out. The simplest explanation is that this administration wants the US to be hated and sees atrocities as an important tool in that effort.
- mikedelfino 1y ago
  > The simplest explanation is that this administration wants the US to be hated Why would they want that?
  - nmeofthestate 1y ago
    Off the top of my head, playing Devil's advocate it could be to encourage illegal immigrants to self-deport. The jailing of Germans with green cards for a fortnight is an unintended side-effect of cranking up the overall hostility level.
  - skc 1y ago
    Perhaps because they know it wouldn't matter. It's not like there is a ready drop in replacement for things people desire from the US.
    - mikedelfino 1y ago
      I get that they don't care. I was just curious why that would be an intention in itself.
  - sigwinch 1y ago
    That department -- customs and border enforcement -- needs to be ideologically pure for the next phase. They'll need to be able to rapidly judge new hires for culture-fit. Can you do the things that only make sense if your boss wants USA to be hated? Can you deftly talk that group of travelers into all unlocking their phones for imaging?
  - navane 1y ago
    To forge the cult -- the more outside hate the more inside cohesion.
- DeathArrow 1y ago
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  - brookst 1y ago
    I was thinking more the body cavity searches of tourists that were linked. The indefinite detention of tourists. Agreed mere deportation is not an atrocity. But that’s not what’s going on here.
jillyboel 1y ago
It's what happens when you put a convicted sexual abuser in charge
matt3210 1y ago
This article sickens me and makes me ashamed to be an American
Telemakhos 1y ago
That story starts with her being refused entry to Canada. So, there's more than just "US border guards mean" going on here. Then it turns out that she was using Workaway, which is like AirBnB or Uber but for foreign labor on tourist visas. They don't tell you that you need a work visa to work in another country [1], but you almost certainly do anywhere you go, not just the US. The woman in the story was working in exchange for accommodation, which is legal for citizens but not for aliens: work permits and visas exist to deter illegal immigration. She didn't have intent to immigrate illegally, but the scheme under which she entered the country was illegal, and she confessed to it in her statement to the border guards. The real bad actor in this story was Workaway, and I'm surprised they haven't been shut down yet. They offer an alien labor arrangement that is almost certain to get you detained if caught with the wrong visa, don't give you advice on visas, and aren't there to help if something does go wrong at the border. I doubt there are many countries who welcome their alien labor arrangements, either. [1] "Workaway is a listing site that enables contact between members, we are unfortunately unable to arrange or advise on visas. There are so many countries with different regulations or laws for different types of volunteering activity, so we would suggest directly getting in touch with the relevant embassy of your destination. It is the responsibility of the host and/or volunteer to make sure they are within the law." https://www.workaway.info/en/stories/workaway-for-newbies-common-questions-volunteer-travel-platform https://www.workaway.info/en/stories/workaway-for-newbies-co...
- Nextgrid 1y ago
  Nobody is denying her visa wasn't correct for the type of work she was doing. But that doesn't justify the treatment she got. Nobody but violent criminals should be treated like this. This was a paperwork issue and should've been resolved with paperwork - refusal of entry and a plane ticket back.
- Juliate 1y ago
  That's no rationale for the treatment she got. If USAmericans got such a treatment anywhere in the world for similar reasons, it'd be broadcasted as a diplomatic incident in your news channels.
- mikedelfino 1y ago
pjc50 1y ago
The thing is: this isn't entirely new, it's just something that happens very rarely to Westerners who don't alert sniffer dogs. The "kids in cages" Southern border immigration detention ran through both the previous Trump administration and the Biden administration. Some pretty horrific stories from then, especially during COVID.

brookst 1y ago

It makes sense if you view it as an intentional effort to demonize the US. Terrorizing visiting tourists is a great way to get the “we are crazy, your best never come here” message out. The simplest explanation is that this administration wants the US to be hated and sees atrocities as an important tool in that effort.

mikedelfino 1y ago
> The simplest explanation is that this administration wants the US to be hated Why would they want that?
- nmeofthestate 1y ago
  Off the top of my head, playing Devil's advocate it could be to encourage illegal immigrants to self-deport. The jailing of Germans with green cards for a fortnight is an unintended side-effect of cranking up the overall hostility level.
- skc 1y ago
  Perhaps because they know it wouldn't matter. It's not like there is a ready drop in replacement for things people desire from the US.
  - mikedelfino 1y ago
    I get that they don't care. I was just curious why that would be an intention in itself.
- sigwinch 1y ago
  That department -- customs and border enforcement -- needs to be ideologically pure for the next phase. They'll need to be able to rapidly judge new hires for culture-fit. Can you do the things that only make sense if your boss wants USA to be hated? Can you deftly talk that group of travelers into all unlocking their phones for imaging?
- navane 1y ago
  To forge the cult -- the more outside hate the more inside cohesion.
DeathArrow 1y ago
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- brookst 1y ago
  I was thinking more the body cavity searches of tourists that were linked. The indefinite detention of tourists. Agreed mere deportation is not an atrocity. But that’s not what’s going on here.

jillyboel 1y ago

It's what happens when you put a convicted sexual abuser in charge

matt3210 1y ago

This article sickens me and makes me ashamed to be an American

Telemakhos 1y ago

That story starts with her being refused entry to Canada. So, there's more than just "US border guards mean" going on here. Then it turns out that she was using Workaway, which is like AirBnB or Uber but for foreign labor on tourist visas. They don't tell you that you need a work visa to work in another country [1], but you almost certainly do anywhere you go, not just the US. The woman in the story was working in exchange for accommodation, which is legal for citizens but not for aliens: work permits and visas exist to deter illegal immigration. She didn't have intent to immigrate illegally, but the scheme under which she entered the country was illegal, and she confessed to it in her statement to the border guards. The real bad actor in this story was Workaway, and I'm surprised they haven't been shut down yet. They offer an alien labor arrangement that is almost certain to get you detained if caught with the wrong visa, don't give you advice on visas, and aren't there to help if something does go wrong at the border. I doubt there are many countries who welcome their alien labor arrangements, either. [1] "Workaway is a listing site that enables contact between members, we are unfortunately unable to arrange or advise on visas. There are so many countries with different regulations or laws for different types of volunteering activity, so we would suggest directly getting in touch with the relevant embassy of your destination. It is the responsibility of the host and/or volunteer to make sure they are within the law." https://www.workaway.info/en/stories/workaway-for-newbies-common-questions-volunteer-travel-platform https://www.workaway.info/en/stories/workaway-for-newbies-co...

Nextgrid 1y ago
Nobody is denying her visa wasn't correct for the type of work she was doing. But that doesn't justify the treatment she got. Nobody but violent criminals should be treated like this. This was a paperwork issue and should've been resolved with paperwork - refusal of entry and a plane ticket back.
Juliate 1y ago
That's no rationale for the treatment she got. If USAmericans got such a treatment anywhere in the world for similar reasons, it'd be broadcasted as a diplomatic incident in your news channels.
mikedelfino 1y ago

pjc50 1y ago

The thing is: this isn't entirely new, it's just something that happens very rarely to Westerners who don't alert sniffer dogs. The "kids in cages" Southern border immigration detention ran through both the previous Trump administration and the Biden administration. Some pretty horrific stories from then, especially during COVID.