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Why would a foreigner visit the US when you may be detained and treated like an animal at any time for the most trivial of reasons? Furthermore, why would you v

Why would a foreigner visit the US when you may be detained and treated like an animal at any time for the most trivial of reasons? Furthermore, why would you visit a country that's actively undermining others around the world? Why would you provide your financial support to that? It's the same reason Tesla sales have fallen off a cliff. You can only mistreat people so much before they push back.

bambax 2y ago
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- WesolyKubeczek 2y ago
  I often have a hard time telling which is the madman and which is the Nazi friend.
- taylodl 2y ago
  For business meetings, as you say, the world is a big place and if you really need to meet person-to-person in North America then you have both Canada and Mexico as options.
hulitu 2y ago
> Why would a foreigner visit the US when you may be detained and treated like an animal at any time for the most trivial of reasons? Furthermore, why would you visit a country that's actively undermining others around the world? Why would you provide your financial support to that? Because it worked so well in the last years. /s
vain 2y ago
This at least reflects my feelings about visiting anytime soon. I mean if I was just put on a flight back (for a tweet they found on my phone or such), that'd be kind of bearable. At least one visitor from the UK got locked up in a facility for a week.
- paulgb 2y ago
  > At least one visitor from the UK got locked up in a facility for a week. If you're talking about Rebecca Burke, it was almost three weeks. All for something that was at worst a naive understanding of the visa she needed. https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/rebecca-burke-detained-us-border-b2728031.html https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/rebecca...
- belter 2y ago
  "Aussie MMA Coach’s Trip to America Goes Horribly Wrong as He Ends Up in Jail & Deported After Arriving in U.S." - https://www.essentiallysports.com/ufc-mma-news-aussie-mma-coachs-trip-to-america-goes-horribly-wrong-as-he-ends-up-in-jail-deported-after-arriving-in-united-states/ https://www.essentiallysports.com/ufc-mma-news-aussie-mma-co...
  - paulgb 2y ago
    His story is a bit suspicious to me, I believe that he was detained but I can't help wondering if the rest is fiction based on watching US prison dramas. He would not have been sent to a federal prison for one thing, and his depictions of violence are what I would expect from long-term convicted felons, not people being held for having the wrong visa.
    - belter 2y ago
      Willing to concede that. But he has thousands of followers and is well known in the MMA comunity. Would he throw all that away for a good story? Also there is an update: "Update on U.S. federal prison detention of MMA coach Renato Subotic who recently trained Merab Dvalishvili" https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-update-u-s-federal-prison-detention-mma-coach-renato-subotic-recently-trained-merab-dvalishvili https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-update-u-s-federal-pris... "UPDATE: I just spoke with coach Renato Subotic for a few minutes. He says he was detained at FDC Honolulu, which is a federal prison facility. He says he has no criminal record and it was a simple visa application issue. Interview later this week."

bambax 2y ago

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WesolyKubeczek 2y ago
I often have a hard time telling which is the madman and which is the Nazi friend.
taylodl 2y ago
For business meetings, as you say, the world is a big place and if you really need to meet person-to-person in North America then you have both Canada and Mexico as options.

hulitu 2y ago

> Why would a foreigner visit the US when you may be detained and treated like an animal at any time for the most trivial of reasons? Furthermore, why would you visit a country that's actively undermining others around the world? Why would you provide your financial support to that? Because it worked so well in the last years. /s

vain 2y ago

This at least reflects my feelings about visiting anytime soon. I mean if I was just put on a flight back (for a tweet they found on my phone or such), that'd be kind of bearable. At least one visitor from the UK got locked up in a facility for a week.

paulgb 2y ago
> At least one visitor from the UK got locked up in a facility for a week. If you're talking about Rebecca Burke, it was almost three weeks. All for something that was at worst a naive understanding of the visa she needed. https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/rebecca-burke-detained-us-border-b2728031.html https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/rebecca...
belter 2y ago
"Aussie MMA Coach’s Trip to America Goes Horribly Wrong as He Ends Up in Jail & Deported After Arriving in U.S." - https://www.essentiallysports.com/ufc-mma-news-aussie-mma-coachs-trip-to-america-goes-horribly-wrong-as-he-ends-up-in-jail-deported-after-arriving-in-united-states/ https://www.essentiallysports.com/ufc-mma-news-aussie-mma-co...
- paulgb 2y ago
  His story is a bit suspicious to me, I believe that he was detained but I can't help wondering if the rest is fiction based on watching US prison dramas. He would not have been sent to a federal prison for one thing, and his depictions of violence are what I would expect from long-term convicted felons, not people being held for having the wrong visa.
  - belter 2y ago
    Willing to concede that. But he has thousands of followers and is well known in the MMA comunity. Would he throw all that away for a good story? Also there is an update: "Update on U.S. federal prison detention of MMA coach Renato Subotic who recently trained Merab Dvalishvili" https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-update-u-s-federal-prison-detention-mma-coach-renato-subotic-recently-trained-merab-dvalishvili https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-update-u-s-federal-pris... "UPDATE: I just spoke with coach Renato Subotic for a few minutes. He says he was detained at FDC Honolulu, which is a federal prison facility. He says he has no criminal record and it was a simple visa application issue. Interview later this week."