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Non-punitive my ass. The German tourist was put for eight days in solitary confinement: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/03/ice-german-tourist-detai

Non-punitive my ass. The German tourist was put for eight days in solitary confinement: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/03/ice-german-tourist-detained-immigration https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/03/ice-german-t...

mcflubbins 2y ago
This is nuts. > Brösche had her German passport, confirmation of her visa waiver to enter the country, and a copy of her return ticket back to Berlin Sounds like all her paper work was good to go... > she was still pulled aside for a secondary inspection by a US Customs and Border Protection agent. Ok, that sucks but not too crazy... > Brösche said she then spent days detained in a cell at the San Diego border before being taken into custody by Ice. The agency brought her to the Otay Mesa detention center, where she’s now been for more than a month. What? > US Customs and Border Protection accused Brösche of planning to violate the terms of the visa waiver program by intending to work as a tattoo artist during her time in Los Angeles. Ok, let's say that's actually the truth. Let's say she told them "yeah I'm gonna work here". Ok, she's in the wrong, worst case but being detained for A MONTH?! > According to ABC’s 10News, she was forced to spend eight days in solitary confinement in the facility. ?! > Lofving also said she tried to get help from the German consulate in Los Angeles. I wish they would have reached out to the Consulate to see if they'd supply any information about what's going on here. Maybe its policy for the consulate to not have any comment about cases though... not sure.
- Symbiote 2y ago
  Cases like this make me wonder how long it will be before the first "digital nomad" or simply workaholic gets detained, after admitting they might check the email and have a Zoom call during their vacation.
- navane 2y ago
  Accused of planning to violate your visa in the future, how do you even defend yourself against that accusation? "She's thinking about doing something bad in the future"
  - mcflubbins 2y ago
    Feels like the thought police...
baketnk 2y ago
there's never backstory given, we're just supposed to automatically feel bad and never get to have a real story about why that decision is made. this is less of a defense of ICE than more of a push for transparency so we don't have to deal with low information appeals to emotion.
- ziddoap 2y ago
  >there's never backstory given There's no backstory that justifies indefinite detention without due process.
  - casey2 2y ago
    Sounds like due process was exactly what she got. Are you suggesting everybody gets a trial before they are deported? Or that the US has to allow you to enter if you do so legally, determined by trial? Either will result in much, much longer deportation times.
    - deleted 2y ago
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    - Juliate 2y ago
      > Are you suggesting everybody gets a trial before they are deported? Well, yes, because that's precisely what due process is? If "everybody" doesn't get a trial before a judge, if _you_ happened to be taken by ICE[1], how would you manage not being deported? By proving you're a legal citizen? But how do you do so if there's no due process? [1] (for whatever reason; today it's on the suspicion to be an "illegal", based on whatever the guys smell; but tomorrow?)
      - account42 2y ago
        Getting a trial for a visa violation is not what happens outside the US either.
        1y ago

mcflubbins 2y ago

This is nuts. > Brösche had her German passport, confirmation of her visa waiver to enter the country, and a copy of her return ticket back to Berlin Sounds like all her paper work was good to go... > she was still pulled aside for a secondary inspection by a US Customs and Border Protection agent. Ok, that sucks but not too crazy... > Brösche said she then spent days detained in a cell at the San Diego border before being taken into custody by Ice. The agency brought her to the Otay Mesa detention center, where she’s now been for more than a month. What? > US Customs and Border Protection accused Brösche of planning to violate the terms of the visa waiver program by intending to work as a tattoo artist during her time in Los Angeles. Ok, let's say that's actually the truth. Let's say she told them "yeah I'm gonna work here". Ok, she's in the wrong, worst case but being detained for A MONTH?! > According to ABC’s 10News, she was forced to spend eight days in solitary confinement in the facility. ?! > Lofving also said she tried to get help from the German consulate in Los Angeles. I wish they would have reached out to the Consulate to see if they'd supply any information about what's going on here. Maybe its policy for the consulate to not have any comment about cases though... not sure.

Symbiote 2y ago
Cases like this make me wonder how long it will be before the first "digital nomad" or simply workaholic gets detained, after admitting they might check the email and have a Zoom call during their vacation.
navane 2y ago
Accused of planning to violate your visa in the future, how do you even defend yourself against that accusation? "She's thinking about doing something bad in the future"
- mcflubbins 2y ago
  Feels like the thought police...

baketnk 2y ago

there's never backstory given, we're just supposed to automatically feel bad and never get to have a real story about why that decision is made. this is less of a defense of ICE than more of a push for transparency so we don't have to deal with low information appeals to emotion.

ziddoap 2y ago
>there's never backstory given There's no backstory that justifies indefinite detention without due process.
- casey2 2y ago
  Sounds like due process was exactly what she got. Are you suggesting everybody gets a trial before they are deported? Or that the US has to allow you to enter if you do so legally, determined by trial? Either will result in much, much longer deportation times.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - Juliate 2y ago
    > Are you suggesting everybody gets a trial before they are deported? Well, yes, because that's precisely what due process is? If "everybody" doesn't get a trial before a judge, if _you_ happened to be taken by ICE[1], how would you manage not being deported? By proving you're a legal citizen? But how do you do so if there's no due process? [1] (for whatever reason; today it's on the suspicion to be an "illegal", based on whatever the guys smell; but tomorrow?)
    - account42 2y ago
      Getting a trial for a visa violation is not what happens outside the US either.
      - 1y ago