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>I think the news feeds within the US may be approximately equal in their delivery of "this is good change" versus "this is catastrophic change", whilst interna
by potato3732842 2y ago
>I think the news feeds within the US may be approximately equal in their delivery of "this is good change" versus "this is catastrophic change", whilst internationally it's almost entirely "this is catastrophic change" with minor pockets of intolerance apologia.
Exactly.
Americans generally don't understand the degree to which the rest of the world gets the CNN 5min recap of what's going on in the US, and it's very much the CNN recap and not the Fox one.
"Tourists locked up, school children shot, government defunded, California on fire, tune in at 11 for more".
The fact that ~half the country doesn't think ICE should be locking up tourists without good reason and the other ~half doesn't think ICE should be locking up anyone gets skipped.
Edit: Just to head off the nitpickers, by "good reason" I mean stuff that border guards of any nation would lock anyone up for if they found, regardless of visa type, status or nation or origin.
- bondarchuk 2y agoWhen you are in stuck in a border control jail for 2 weeks it does not particularly matter who does or does not think you should be there.
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- ABS 2y agoassuming your point is correct about what almost the entire country thinks about ICE locking up tourists (and I don't think it is) it's irrelevant: ICE does it anyway and that's all I as a potential turist care about
- footy 2y agoexactly. As a Canadian I don't really care that half or more of the country thinks that ICE should not be locking up random Canadians or that the annexation threats aren't real or that the tariffs are a negotiating tactic. It is not relevant to my life how they feel if any of these things affect me.
- badgersnake 2y agoThere’s no reason to lock tourists up. If you don’t want them put them on the first flight back. Locking people up is expensive and if they’re willing to leave anyway, totally pointless. You would think that a country with a whole department devoted to government efficiency could work that out.
- ta1243 2y ago10 nights in an ICE jail is very lucrative to the company that runs that jail. Can be funded by the taxes the poorest in America pay.
- exe34 2y agoI'm surprised they don't require the victim or their family to pay to have them released. Make Piracy/Kidnapping Great Again.
- rqtwteye 2y agoThere are places where you get charged something like $60 for a day in prison.
- johnnyanmac 2y agodamn, 1800 a month? What am I doing paying rent? /s
- ornornor 2y agoAren’t a lot of jails private and for profit? Just bill the tourist for the stay and detain until they pay in full (accruing even more debt in the meantime). It makes perfect business sense which is all that seems to matter to the US nowadays.
- potato3732842 2y ago>Aren’t a lot of jails private and for profit? No, it's a small-ish minority of them. Most are government owned and run. That said, there's a huge incentive to piss away money holding people so you can justify your budget and use poor conditions to justify increases in budget. And on top of that the contractors that supply government jails are pretty evil too. So it's really a distinction without a difference at the end of the day, it's all a pretty rotten system.
- shmel 2y agoDo their opinions matter at all? If you do get locked up, will you find this information helpful?
- ulfw 2y agoWhat are you trying to argue though? I am a bit at a loss to follow. Be so kind and explain. You want foreign readers to read news about how half of the US wants you, the foreign tourist, be locked up in a jail cell? The news is already out there. Everyone assumes it's so wanted, because well... it does actually happen
- potato3732842 2y agoI'm not arguing anything. I'm agreeing. Why do I have to be arguing? "ICE goes crazy looking for crimes, hapless tourists caught up in the boondoggle" and "ICE detaining tourists for no good reason" Are both 100% true ways to headline the same events. Which framing is Europe getting? This is something to watch out for on all issues, not just immigration/foreign affairs.
- bondarchuk 2y agoBut what does it matter? "Hapless tourists caught up in the boondoggle" is just as bad (and maybe worse) from the POV of said tourists. If you're worried, though, that "ICE goes crazy" is an underrepresented perspective in the rest of the world, I can reassure you on that count...
- footy 2y agoboth framings are equally bad for the potential tourist.
- ulfw 2y agoAs a potential tourist to the US of A I could not possibly care less if I am detained due to a boondoggle or for no good reason. Both make me not want to ever go there again. So ...?
- shadowgovt 2y agoFor everyone outside the US, the fact that half the country doesn't think ICE should be locking up tourists without good reason is irrelevant since that half isn't barricading detention centers and tearing prison gates open with their cars. ... not that these things would make it safer to travel to the US. In the short run. The status quo of power is that it is less safe to be a foreigner in the US than it has been in a long time. Possibly at any point in time the US wasn't actively at war with another nation.
- ajross 2y ago> ~half the country doesn't think ICE should be locking up tourists without good reason and the other ~half doesn't think ICE should be locking up anyone That is not remotely a good faith representation of the controversy.
- pearlsontheroad 2y agoI've lived my entire adult life in the USA (international student -> non-immigrant temp worker -> resident -> citizen). People are delusional if they think the USA is split in half about immigration. The anti-immigrant sentiment among whites, blacks and some naturalized immigrants (like Cubans in FL) is truly the only thing that crosses political boundaries here.
- mannykannot 2y agoI doubt that seeing the Fox spin on US events would persuade many people that the US is currently a place of rationality and the rule of law.
- the_af 2y agoPlus it's false that the rest of the world doesn't get the Fox spin along with the CNN spin. We get both.
- phr4ts 2y agoReally? In my country, CNN is Coca cola and Fox is Dr. Pepper
- neogodless 2y agoI do not understand this analogy! For me, Coke tastes like acid, and Dr. Pepper is sweet and spicy. But... uh... that doesn't translate well when applied to sources for "news".
- the_af 2y agoLike the sibling comment, I don't understand the analogy. Also, I'd like to emphasize what someone said elsewhere in this comments section: the rest of the world doesn't see the US through the "CNN vs Fox" lens, that's almost exclusively an American phenomenon.
- csa 2y ago> Like the sibling comment, I don't understand the analogy. Ubiquitous (distribution) versus relatively limited (distribution).
- DeathArrow 2y agoDoesn't the crime rate go down when Republicans hold the power? I think the crime rate is a major concern for every tourist. Doesn't Florida have a much lower crime rate than California? As a tourist, I rather visit Florida than California.
- palata 2y agoWhen the President of the United States threatens to invade ex-allies, I don't think that the threatened people give a shit about what the American people think about it. The fact that this guy is the President means that most Americans were not against it, right? Of course most Americans don't want random people detained. But still, this is happening in the US. And one thing that I believe is absolutely clear outside the US (whether it's true or not), is that most Americans are perfectly fine with "America First". Americans don't really care about the impact of Trump on the rest of the world; they care about the impact on themselves. Boycotting US products is a way to impact the American people, in the hope that the American people will eventually realise that what's best for them is also better for the others. Something that I found interesting: when Canadians started booing the US anthem in NHL games, Americans started booing the Canadian anthem. Why? Canada didn't do anything to the US. Does it sound that most Americans are against what's happening, when they defend it? There is this kind of American patriotism where people seem to be like "Yes, my government, is bullying you, but I won't admit it and I will fight against you if you say it. But I'm a good guy, I don't want my government to bully you. I'll just support it because it's my country". So yeah... pretty sure that it feels a lot different from the outside than from the inside.
- ivan_gammel 2y ago> There is this kind of American patriotism Doesn‘t look much different from Russian, Israeli or Chinese patriotism. When outsiders criticize your tribe for doing bad things, many are standing in support of the tribe, not the values, and they are the most visible.
- DeathArrow 2y agoIsn't it natural to support your people?
- palata 2y agoProbably, but if your dad starts beating a kid in the street, I hope you'll do something about it. Also for your dad's sake and for your family reputation.
- soco 2y agoLet's face it, this is the "regular" newsflash we are getting everywhere: one part world catastrophes and one part local news. Or almost. And as the US is a big player in the world, or used to be at least, most eyes are on your catastrophes.
- sofixa 2y ago> Americans generally don't understand the degree to which the rest of the world gets the CNN 5min recap of what's going on in the US, and it's very much the CNN recap and not the Fox one. No, Americans generally don't understand that the rest of the world, and the rest of the world's news, genuinely don't see things in this dual "us vs them", "CNN vs Fox", "Democrats vs Republicans" lens. When Trump does shit, media from around the world say what he did and why it's bad. When Biden or Obama before him did shit, media from around the world say what he did and why it's bad. Fox are genuinely deranged hypocrites who themselves claimed in court that nobody sane would believe them. Very few of the world's media reflect their point of views, because they are absurd. CNN is all over the place, so sometimes their point of view matches with e.g. BBC or Guardian or Süddeutsche Zeitung, sometimes it doesn't.
- jajko 2y agoNobody watches or cares about some CNN, that stuff, or Fox and your bipolar political stuff US very much internal US matter. We care about outwardish things, trump mood swings and so on.
- coliveira 2y agoFeelings of Americans don't matter much in this equation. Most are delusional about what is happening in one way or another. People from other countries will not get even close to the US while there is a chance they will be jailed and sent to a lawless detention center for looking different.
- DeathArrow 2y ago>People from other countries will not get even close to the US while there is a chance they will be jailed and sent to a lawless detention center for looking different. I am from Europe. I don't think I look different than an American.
- pjmlp 2y agoMSNBC, CNN, folks on instagram and YouTube, currently there is still quite a few sources free of dictorship style media. Still wishing citzens manage to get control of the country back, before the administration adopts even stronger control mechanisms.
- Fauntleroy 2y agoSuggesting that giving the rest of the world the "fox news viewpoint" would somehow improve foreigner's views or knowledge of America is spurious at best, and delusional at worst.
- account42 2y agoThen maybe Europeans should consume more alternative media instead of just state propaganda.
- Juliate 2y agoMore alternative like... Fox News which is officially (and self endorsed) an _entertainment_ channel? As opposed to... a news organisation/channel?