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Better standards are good, but without change in other areas, they won't have much effect. If kids are failing to meet the current standards, how do you expect

by zhemao 14y ago

Better standards are good, but without change in other areas, they won't have much effect. If kids are failing to meet the current standards, how do you expect them to meet newer, more rigorous ones? I am sure Massachusetts and Minnesota's education systems have other things going for them besides standards.

sukuriant 14y ago
Better teachers. I'm sorry but, using my mother as an example, in a single year, my mother elevated inner-city students in English from very low scores to very high scores. I'd need to ask her for specifics; but, the change was incredible. I believe they were getting near highest marks in the area. She demanded a LOT from the students, a truly incredible amount of writing and work. She was very, very hard on her students; but at the same time rewarded achievement greatly and taught in an effective, repetitive way. Years down the road, her old students have repeatedly come back to her, thanking her for her work with them. It is all about the teachers. If people are sufficiently interested in her method, I might be able to get her to log in to my account (or one of her own), and expound upon her methods of training and relating to the children.
- raphman 14y ago
  interested
- MordinSolus 14y ago
  We need better teachers AND a better system AND better parents. We can't just put all of the expectations on the teachers and expect any sort of change. We do need teachers who are willing to be tough (like it sounds like your mother was) yet caring, but that requires a system that rewards teachers not based on seniority but on merit (sorry unions) but also doesn't encourage teachers to artificially raise grades or teach to specific tests. This means we'd have to invest more in evaluating progress in students, instead of just throwing standardized tests at kids. We also need parents who allow teachers to be tough (no complaining because your kid fails!) _and_ who are supportive yet disciplined back on the homefront.
  - sukuriant 14y ago
    Ab-so-lute-ly. We agree on pretty much all fronts. (I don't know my mother's stance on unions; and I don't have a stance on unions since I haven't given it any thought). Since I haven't seen many willing parents (indeed in some situations, the parent isn't a positive or even present factor at all), I've only raised up the factor that I've actually seen make a positive change. It's actually the same way for me with computer science. A good first introduction made all the difference in the world.
- unimpressive 14y ago
  > She demanded a LOT from the students, a truly incredible amount of writing and work. Guys. Do me a favor; if this is the solution, leave education broken. I'm serious, I'm amazed I haven't already burned out on school work. Even a little bit more and I probably would have by now.
  - sukuriant 14y ago
    You had a lot of work in high school and middle school?
    - unimpressive 14y ago
      Have.
- polymatter 14y ago
  count me interested to here more too.

by zhemao 14y ago

sukuriant 14y ago

Better teachers. I'm sorry but, using my mother as an example, in a single year, my mother elevated inner-city students in English from very low scores to very high scores. I'd need to ask her for specifics; but, the change was incredible. I believe they were getting near highest marks in the area. She demanded a LOT from the students, a truly incredible amount of writing and work. She was very, very hard on her students; but at the same time rewarded achievement greatly and taught in an effective, repetitive way. Years down the road, her old students have repeatedly come back to her, thanking her for her work with them. It is all about the teachers. If people are sufficiently interested in her method, I might be able to get her to log in to my account (or one of her own), and expound upon her methods of training and relating to the children.

raphman 14y ago
interested
MordinSolus 14y ago
We need better teachers AND a better system AND better parents. We can't just put all of the expectations on the teachers and expect any sort of change. We do need teachers who are willing to be tough (like it sounds like your mother was) yet caring, but that requires a system that rewards teachers not based on seniority but on merit (sorry unions) but also doesn't encourage teachers to artificially raise grades or teach to specific tests. This means we'd have to invest more in evaluating progress in students, instead of just throwing standardized tests at kids. We also need parents who allow teachers to be tough (no complaining because your kid fails!) _and_ who are supportive yet disciplined back on the homefront.
- sukuriant 14y ago
  Ab-so-lute-ly. We agree on pretty much all fronts. (I don't know my mother's stance on unions; and I don't have a stance on unions since I haven't given it any thought). Since I haven't seen many willing parents (indeed in some situations, the parent isn't a positive or even present factor at all), I've only raised up the factor that I've actually seen make a positive change. It's actually the same way for me with computer science. A good first introduction made all the difference in the world.
unimpressive 14y ago
> She demanded a LOT from the students, a truly incredible amount of writing and work. Guys. Do me a favor; if this is the solution, leave education broken. I'm serious, I'm amazed I haven't already burned out on school work. Even a little bit more and I probably would have by now.
- sukuriant 14y ago
  You had a lot of work in high school and middle school?
  - unimpressive 14y ago
    Have.
polymatter 14y ago
count me interested to here more too.