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> Do we actually want "I just want a stable job" people being a significant part of the federal governments workforce? Yes, if you can't offer someone market r

> Do we actually want "I just want a stable job" people being a significant part of the federal governments workforce? Yes, if you can't offer someone market rates then you need to offer them other things to fill that void. Stability is one of them, and is actually a good thing in government, when politics is so volatile. If the workforce is fired every time a new party comes into power, you don't have a stable government. Working with those constraints, you _can_ improve things, by building better systems and processes, that better use the resources you have. That's far better long term, but it's not as fast and does not generate headlines for DOGE.

AStonesThrow 2y ago
> If the workforce is fired every time a new party comes into power What if the workforce is never fired, and government jobs acquire a reputation for ingrained incompetence, promotion from within for the unqualified, and a management so frustrated by their inability to turn over poorly-performing workers that nearly nothing productive gets done anymore? What if the workforce is full of appointments by the Old-Boy network, and jobs are personal favors or quid pro quo rather than based on qualifications or education? What about that sort of workforce?
- const_cast 2y ago
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- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  What if we just arrested every person who broke every tiny archaic law we can think of? What if we run out of prisons and decide to outsource them to foreign counties? What about this sort of criminal system? I don't know why we are talking in such extreme what ifs. If you really think the government let's anyone with a pulse in you never applied for a government position. At least not one in a medium-large city. You have a lot of test taking and a process that can take months. Maybe even longer if you need clearance (at that point it's best to go private sector since they'll get you cleared while you work on non-xlearajce stuff). Yes, there is corruption and nepotism. Can you name a single industry where there isn't? How about we setup more channels to report and hold it accountable instead of using it to dismiss the concept of a government job? We'd all win there.
  - AStonesThrow 2y ago
    What you mean “we”, White Man? Internet comments really need to get pronouns & antecedents under control. Use the Scientific “we” if we’re a tenured professor or scholar with credentials. But the GP is perhaps not a police officer, a department of corrections administrator, or legislator, so please, leave AStonesThrow out of your speculative, hypothetical scenarios and TDS bloviations? <Thx>
    - loktarogar 2y ago
      I think you should give the HN guidelines (specifically under comments) a re-read. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- loktarogar 2y ago
  You are saying that there's enough irredeemable people in government positions that there's no government job that could suit their skill level? That sounds like a crisis to me. What happens when they're all dumped on the street in one go?

AStonesThrow 2y ago

> If the workforce is fired every time a new party comes into power What if the workforce is never fired, and government jobs acquire a reputation for ingrained incompetence, promotion from within for the unqualified, and a management so frustrated by their inability to turn over poorly-performing workers that nearly nothing productive gets done anymore? What if the workforce is full of appointments by the Old-Boy network, and jobs are personal favors or quid pro quo rather than based on qualifications or education? What about that sort of workforce?

const_cast 2y ago
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johnnyanmac 2y ago
What if we just arrested every person who broke every tiny archaic law we can think of? What if we run out of prisons and decide to outsource them to foreign counties? What about this sort of criminal system? I don't know why we are talking in such extreme what ifs. If you really think the government let's anyone with a pulse in you never applied for a government position. At least not one in a medium-large city. You have a lot of test taking and a process that can take months. Maybe even longer if you need clearance (at that point it's best to go private sector since they'll get you cleared while you work on non-xlearajce stuff). Yes, there is corruption and nepotism. Can you name a single industry where there isn't? How about we setup more channels to report and hold it accountable instead of using it to dismiss the concept of a government job? We'd all win there.
- AStonesThrow 2y ago
  What you mean “we”, White Man? Internet comments really need to get pronouns & antecedents under control. Use the Scientific “we” if we’re a tenured professor or scholar with credentials. But the GP is perhaps not a police officer, a department of corrections administrator, or legislator, so please, leave AStonesThrow out of your speculative, hypothetical scenarios and TDS bloviations? <Thx>
  - loktarogar 2y ago
    I think you should give the HN guidelines (specifically under comments) a re-read. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
loktarogar 2y ago
You are saying that there's enough irredeemable people in government positions that there's no government job that could suit their skill level? That sounds like a crisis to me. What happens when they're all dumped on the street in one go?