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SQLite https://www.sqlite.org/copyright.html https://www.sqlite.org/copyright.html https://opensource.org/blog/public-domain-is-not-open-source https://opensou

SQLite https://www.sqlite.org/copyright.html https://www.sqlite.org/copyright.html https://opensource.org/blog/public-domain-is-not-open-source https://opensource.org/blog/public-domain-is-not-open-source

School-Cotton 2y ago
Troll answer. You can obviously freely modify and redistribute SQLite.
- greyface- 2y ago
  It's not obvious to me. OSI (as per link in parent comment) says it's not "open source", and the LICENSE.md contains a prohibition on using it for evil https://github.com/sqlite/sqlite/blob/master/LICENSE.md https://github.com/sqlite/sqlite/blob/master/LICENSE.md
  - djur 2y ago
    1) OSI says that public domain and open source are not the same thing ("Here’s why it’s a mistake to treat the two terms as synonyms"), not that public domain software cannot be open source. 2) It is simply not true that the SQLite distribution terms "contain[] a prohibition on using it for evil". That is not in the text you linked.
    - greyface- 2y ago
      The OSI post concludes that "an open source user or developer cannot safely include public domain source code in a project". Has SQLite done something that makes it an exception to this? I will concede that the exhortation against use for evil in the license text is probably not legally binding.
      - djur 2y ago
        The OSI has approved a public domain dedication, so clearly they accept public domain software as OSD-compliant: https://opensource.org/license/unlicense https://opensource.org/license/unlicense An advisory blog post warning people not to assume that "public domain" code is actually unencumbered is not the same as saying that actually public domain code is not open source.
        greyface- 2y ago
        The OSI approval of the Unlicense notes: > It is an attempt to dedicate a work to the public domain (which, taken alone, would not be approved as an open source license) but it also has wording commonly used for license grants. https://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-review_lists.opensource.org/2020-June/004890.html https://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-review_lists.... It's clear OSI considers this extra wording, above and beyond the public domain declaration, to be what qualifies it as truly unencumbered. SQLite's license does not contain similar language, and has not been similarly qualified by the OSI.
        School-Cotton 2y ago
        Regardless of their dumb nonsensical rejection of public domain, you did the opposite of what was asked. I was asking for examples of open-source software that is not free in the Free Software sense, and you gave an example of something that is too free for the OSI.
  - School-Cotton 2y ago
    > the LICENSE.md contains a prohibition on using it for evil No it doesn’t and now I feel like you’re trying to waste my time on purpose. It contains a “blessing” exhorting (i.e., requesting) people not to do evil, not a “prohibition” of any kind.
pseudalopex 2y ago
No. SQLite is public domain. Public domain is free software.[1] [1] https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#PublicDomain https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#PublicDomain

School-Cotton 2y ago

Troll answer. You can obviously freely modify and redistribute SQLite.

greyface- 2y ago
It's not obvious to me. OSI (as per link in parent comment) says it's not "open source", and the LICENSE.md contains a prohibition on using it for evil https://github.com/sqlite/sqlite/blob/master/LICENSE.md https://github.com/sqlite/sqlite/blob/master/LICENSE.md
- djur 2y ago
  1) OSI says that public domain and open source are not the same thing ("Here’s why it’s a mistake to treat the two terms as synonyms"), not that public domain software cannot be open source. 2) It is simply not true that the SQLite distribution terms "contain[] a prohibition on using it for evil". That is not in the text you linked.
  - greyface- 2y ago
    The OSI post concludes that "an open source user or developer cannot safely include public domain source code in a project". Has SQLite done something that makes it an exception to this? I will concede that the exhortation against use for evil in the license text is probably not legally binding.
    - djur 2y ago
      The OSI has approved a public domain dedication, so clearly they accept public domain software as OSD-compliant: https://opensource.org/license/unlicense https://opensource.org/license/unlicense An advisory blog post warning people not to assume that "public domain" code is actually unencumbered is not the same as saying that actually public domain code is not open source.
      - greyface- 2y ago
        The OSI approval of the Unlicense notes: > It is an attempt to dedicate a work to the public domain (which, taken alone, would not be approved as an open source license) but it also has wording commonly used for license grants. https://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-review_lists.opensource.org/2020-June/004890.html https://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-review_lists.... It's clear OSI considers this extra wording, above and beyond the public domain declaration, to be what qualifies it as truly unencumbered. SQLite's license does not contain similar language, and has not been similarly qualified by the OSI.
        School-Cotton 2y ago
        Regardless of their dumb nonsensical rejection of public domain, you did the opposite of what was asked. I was asking for examples of open-source software that is not free in the Free Software sense, and you gave an example of something that is too free for the OSI.
- School-Cotton 2y ago
  > the LICENSE.md contains a prohibition on using it for evil No it doesn’t and now I feel like you’re trying to waste my time on purpose. It contains a “blessing” exhorting (i.e., requesting) people not to do evil, not a “prohibition” of any kind.

pseudalopex 2y ago

No. SQLite is public domain. Public domain is free software.[1] [1] https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#PublicDomain https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#PublicDomain