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I really hope this silences the naysayers. The negativity around here has gotten out of hand lately. I personally want this project to succeed.

pwny 14y ago
The "naysayers" as you say, bring up a lot of valid points that have nothing to do with the OUYA's ability to raise kickstarter money so this will probably not silence anyone. If anything, the money raised only proves the fact that over 60k people jumped in on the bandwagon of a non-existent console with no controller design that plans to ship in an almost unrealisable timeframe. I want people that try bold things to succeed as much as the next guy but my (and others') concerns about the OUYA are far more elaborated than their ability to raise money.
- sp332 14y ago
  Even if this fails (I don't expect it to but of course it could), I'm willing to throw some money at serious research into what's so hard about making tiny $99 consoles, and how to address those problems in the next project.
  - illuminate 14y ago
    "I'm willing to throw some money at serious research into what's so hard about making tiny $99 consoles" Generally, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economies_of_scale http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economies_of_scale
    - Wilduck 14y ago
      Could you clarify? Do you mean that it's harder to make these things smaller? Because that's not what "Economies of scale" refers to. Even if you are trying to make a point about the long run average cost of console production, I still don't see the direct connection and I'd like to know what you're getting at.
      - sp332 14y ago
        Xbox 360s were sold at a loss until years after launch. (MS made their money on license sales from games.) At a production run of a few tens of thousands, the Ouya is not much better off than a full-custom hardware build, and it's difficult to make such a box for ~$100.
      - illuminate 14y ago
        The sort of design one would want in a forward-thinking console wouldn't be offered in small quantities, certainly not for 99 bucks without subsidization.
stevejabs 14y ago
I don't think that anyone doesn't want it to succeed. There are a lot of valid reasons as to why this can easily fail. No one is saying, "You know what, screw that Ouya company." They are merely saying, "You know what, Ouya looks pretty cool, but how are they actually going to solve problem Foo and Bar?"
bonch 14y ago
$8.5 million isn't enough for a mass-produced game console. You said it yourself--you want the negativity to stop because you personally want it to succeed. And that seems to be what Ouya has become, a focal point for a lot of fantasy and idealism about disrupting the market without much pragmatism or common sense to back it. Couple that with Ouya's misleading marketing, and the arguments raised by naysayers are justified.
slantyyz 14y ago
It's fascinating to me that so many people think of the Ouya as a potential rival to PS/360 - I don't. I see it as a completely different beast. Funny, from Day 1, I've always looked at the Ouya as a cheaper Boxee Box that also plays some games as gravy. If it can do MAME or Final Burn (which I expect some enterprising hackers will have made a reality by the time Ouya's available for the masses), even better. I'll probably pick one up when it's released to play videos and music, and hopefully there are some good games on it, especially if that Namco-Bandai relationship turns out to be real. If the games all suck, it's no loss, because I'll still have XBMC. If the Ouya team's paying attention, they'll also make sure Netflix is available on day one too.
chestercheetaz 14y ago
you clearly don't work in hardware.

pwny 14y ago

The "naysayers" as you say, bring up a lot of valid points that have nothing to do with the OUYA's ability to raise kickstarter money so this will probably not silence anyone. If anything, the money raised only proves the fact that over 60k people jumped in on the bandwagon of a non-existent console with no controller design that plans to ship in an almost unrealisable timeframe. I want people that try bold things to succeed as much as the next guy but my (and others') concerns about the OUYA are far more elaborated than their ability to raise money.

sp332 14y ago
Even if this fails (I don't expect it to but of course it could), I'm willing to throw some money at serious research into what's so hard about making tiny $99 consoles, and how to address those problems in the next project.
- illuminate 14y ago
  "I'm willing to throw some money at serious research into what's so hard about making tiny $99 consoles" Generally, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economies_of_scale http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economies_of_scale
  - Wilduck 14y ago
    Could you clarify? Do you mean that it's harder to make these things smaller? Because that's not what "Economies of scale" refers to. Even if you are trying to make a point about the long run average cost of console production, I still don't see the direct connection and I'd like to know what you're getting at.
    - sp332 14y ago
      Xbox 360s were sold at a loss until years after launch. (MS made their money on license sales from games.) At a production run of a few tens of thousands, the Ouya is not much better off than a full-custom hardware build, and it's difficult to make such a box for ~$100.
    - illuminate 14y ago
      The sort of design one would want in a forward-thinking console wouldn't be offered in small quantities, certainly not for 99 bucks without subsidization.

stevejabs 14y ago

I don't think that anyone doesn't want it to succeed. There are a lot of valid reasons as to why this can easily fail. No one is saying, "You know what, screw that Ouya company." They are merely saying, "You know what, Ouya looks pretty cool, but how are they actually going to solve problem Foo and Bar?"

bonch 14y ago

$8.5 million isn't enough for a mass-produced game console. You said it yourself--you want the negativity to stop because you personally want it to succeed. And that seems to be what Ouya has become, a focal point for a lot of fantasy and idealism about disrupting the market without much pragmatism or common sense to back it. Couple that with Ouya's misleading marketing, and the arguments raised by naysayers are justified.

slantyyz 14y ago

It's fascinating to me that so many people think of the Ouya as a potential rival to PS/360 - I don't. I see it as a completely different beast. Funny, from Day 1, I've always looked at the Ouya as a cheaper Boxee Box that also plays some games as gravy. If it can do MAME or Final Burn (which I expect some enterprising hackers will have made a reality by the time Ouya's available for the masses), even better. I'll probably pick one up when it's released to play videos and music, and hopefully there are some good games on it, especially if that Namco-Bandai relationship turns out to be real. If the games all suck, it's no loss, because I'll still have XBMC. If the Ouya team's paying attention, they'll also make sure Netflix is available on day one too.

chestercheetaz 14y ago

you clearly don't work in hardware.