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I think the rest of the world is very much moving in Apple's direction: look at what Ubuntu is doing, and any big open source project with more than a single co

by arccy 2y ago

I think the rest of the world is very much moving in Apple's direction: look at what Ubuntu is doing, and any big open source project with more than a single corporate backer (i.e. not just using open source as a marketing channel) isn't using GPL.

applied_heat 2y ago
What is Ubuntu doing?
- WD-42 2y ago
  There was an Ubuntu engineer recently talking about using the rust coreutils which are bsd licensed instead the old gpl ones. But he made it clear it was more about “rust is better” than anything to do with the license.
pama 2y ago
Not sure what you mean about ubuntu… there is tons of GPL there. https://ubuntu.com/legal/open-source-licences?release=jammy https://ubuntu.com/legal/open-source-licences?release=jammy
- deleted 2y ago
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- anonfordays 2y ago
  Replacing GPL coreutils with Rust reimplementations. The conspiracy theorists say that's the reason behind the huge RiiR push. There's effectively zero GPL'ed Rust software.
  - quotemstr 2y ago
    It makes me sad to realize that it was possible that the GPL was necessary to bootstrap free software culture and that we no longer need it now that we've won.
    - johannes1234321 2y ago
      Is there a win? One large side of the industry is turning to managed services. They run free/libre software, but build lock-in on higher level and avoid giving direct contact. On the other market, the desktop free/libre software won as with Android and free/libre parts of MacOS/iOS. However they don't do that to benefit the free/libre software in any way, but for getting software cheap or even for free. The amount by which this flows in one direction, there isn't a win.
    - pabs3 2y ago
      We definitely have not won, locked-down consumer device vendors like Apple are the prime example of how we lost.
    - pjmlp 2y ago
      MIT and BSD predates it, and GPL only had a go at it for two reasons: 1 - Sun decided to inovate by spliting UNIX into user and developer SKUs, thus making the until then irrelevant GCC, interesting to many organisations not willing to pay for UNIX development SDK. 2 - AT&T tried to get control back over UNIX's destiny, and made BSD's future uncertain

by arccy 2y ago

applied_heat 2y ago

What is Ubuntu doing?

WD-42 2y ago
There was an Ubuntu engineer recently talking about using the rust coreutils which are bsd licensed instead the old gpl ones. But he made it clear it was more about “rust is better” than anything to do with the license.

pama 2y ago

Not sure what you mean about ubuntu… there is tons of GPL there. https://ubuntu.com/legal/open-source-licences?release=jammy https://ubuntu.com/legal/open-source-licences?release=jammy

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anonfordays 2y ago
Replacing GPL coreutils with Rust reimplementations. The conspiracy theorists say that's the reason behind the huge RiiR push. There's effectively zero GPL'ed Rust software.
- quotemstr 2y ago
  It makes me sad to realize that it was possible that the GPL was necessary to bootstrap free software culture and that we no longer need it now that we've won.
  - johannes1234321 2y ago
    Is there a win? One large side of the industry is turning to managed services. They run free/libre software, but build lock-in on higher level and avoid giving direct contact. On the other market, the desktop free/libre software won as with Android and free/libre parts of MacOS/iOS. However they don't do that to benefit the free/libre software in any way, but for getting software cheap or even for free. The amount by which this flows in one direction, there isn't a win.
  - pabs3 2y ago
    We definitely have not won, locked-down consumer device vendors like Apple are the prime example of how we lost.
  - pjmlp 2y ago
    MIT and BSD predates it, and GPL only had a go at it for two reasons: 1 - Sun decided to inovate by spliting UNIX into user and developer SKUs, thus making the until then irrelevant GCC, interesting to many organisations not willing to pay for UNIX development SDK. 2 - AT&T tried to get control back over UNIX's destiny, and made BSD's future uncertain