> 0 - I haven’t visited SF since early 2020. On that trip, my hotel was near the Tenderloin and things were pretty rough vis-a-vis public intoxication, indecent

> 0 - I haven’t visited SF since early 2020. On that trip, my hotel was near the Tenderloin and things were pretty rough vis-a-vis public intoxication, indecent exposure, homelessness, etc. That was my same opinion of SF when I lived in the bay area for 2 years in '99. Moving there, I first went into SF as tourists mostly do, and it was a filthy, nasty place then coming from Phoenix Arizona, after avoiding going anywhere close to downtown SF again, and moving back to Phoenix 2 years later. I can only imagine (or read, daily) how much worse it is now. Why anyone stays is beyond me.