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Human vision isn't good enough, though. Otherwise why not just drive the car yourself?

gruez 2y ago
>Human vision isn't good enough, though. Maybe if your standard is "scheduled commercial passenger flights" level of safety. >Otherwise why not just drive the car yourself? There's plenty of reasons why humans can be more dangerous outside of vision quality. For instance, being distracted, poor reaction times, or not being able to monitor all angles simultaneously.
- NoTeslaThrow 2y ago
  > For instance, being distracted, poor reaction times, or not being able to monitor all angles simultaneously. As a pitch for self driving, it's going to be a long time before I trust a computer to do the above better than I do. At the very least adding sensors I don't have access to will give me assurance the car won't drive into a wall with a road painted on it. I don't know how on earth you'd market self-driving as competent without being absurdly conservative about what functionality you claim to be able to deliver. Aggregate statistics about safety aren't going to make me feel emotionally stable when I am familiar with how jerky and skittish the driving is under visually confusing driving conditions. Perhaps vision is sufficient, but it seems hopelessly optimistic to expect to be able to pitch it without some core improvement over human driving (aside from my ability to take the hand off the wheel while driving). Edit: hilariously, there's already a video demonstrating this exact scenario: https://youtu.be/IQJL3htsDyQ https://youtu.be/IQJL3htsDyQ
  - gruez 2y ago
    >At the very least adding sensors I don't have access to will give me assurance the car won't drive into a wall with a road painted on it. This is as relevant as self driving cars not being able to detect anti-tank mines. If you want to intentionally cause harm, there are far easier ways than erecting a wall in the middle of a roadway and then painting a mural on it. If you're worried about it accidentally occurring, the fact that there's no incidents suggests it's at least unlikely enough to not worry about. >Aggregate statistics about safety aren't going to make me feel emotionally stable when I am familiar with how jerky and skittish the driving is under visually confusing driving conditions. Sounds like this is less about the tech used (ie. cameras vs lidar) and how "smooth" the car appears to behave.

>Human vision isn't good enough, though. Maybe if your standard is "scheduled commercial passenger flights" level of safety. >Otherwise why not just drive the car yourself? There's plenty of reasons why humans can be more dangerous outside of vision quality. For instance, being distracted, poor reaction times, or not being able to monitor all angles simultaneously.

NoTeslaThrow 2y ago
> For instance, being distracted, poor reaction times, or not being able to monitor all angles simultaneously. As a pitch for self driving, it's going to be a long time before I trust a computer to do the above better than I do. At the very least adding sensors I don't have access to will give me assurance the car won't drive into a wall with a road painted on it. I don't know how on earth you'd market self-driving as competent without being absurdly conservative about what functionality you claim to be able to deliver. Aggregate statistics about safety aren't going to make me feel emotionally stable when I am familiar with how jerky and skittish the driving is under visually confusing driving conditions. Perhaps vision is sufficient, but it seems hopelessly optimistic to expect to be able to pitch it without some core improvement over human driving (aside from my ability to take the hand off the wheel while driving). Edit: hilariously, there's already a video demonstrating this exact scenario: https://youtu.be/IQJL3htsDyQ https://youtu.be/IQJL3htsDyQ
- gruez 2y ago
  >At the very least adding sensors I don't have access to will give me assurance the car won't drive into a wall with a road painted on it. This is as relevant as self driving cars not being able to detect anti-tank mines. If you want to intentionally cause harm, there are far easier ways than erecting a wall in the middle of a roadway and then painting a mural on it. If you're worried about it accidentally occurring, the fact that there's no incidents suggests it's at least unlikely enough to not worry about. >Aggregate statistics about safety aren't going to make me feel emotionally stable when I am familiar with how jerky and skittish the driving is under visually confusing driving conditions. Sounds like this is less about the tech used (ie. cameras vs lidar) and how "smooth" the car appears to behave.