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> no one should be abused for choosing a language Can you link to the abuse?

by neonsunset 2y ago

ChocolateGod 2y ago
I recall a thread on Twitter where someone called the TypeScript developers "brain dead *tards" for using Go over Rust.
- johnny22 2y ago
  That's really dumb, but it's hard to call one one instance abuse. Now, I do beleive it turns into abuse if it a bunch of people do it. Especially if they are bringing their insults specifically into your space (repo forge, mailing lists, flooding your replies on social media, etc).
- neonsunset 2y ago
  Ah, so no abuse took place then? Interesting how it works. One could look at it as well-deserved frustration. No one would've batted an eye were Rust to be chosen, but opting into Go over C# or F# is an unquestionably poor long-term decision.
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- angra_mainyu 2y ago
  The Rust community is unfortunately plagued by this subset of devs who are zealous (and downright toxic) in their shilling for their favorite language. Before anyone gets triggered and starts typing up a reply: "SUBSET" is the word I used.
  - Ygg2 2y ago
    So is any big enough community. Look at that "Why Go?" discussions, and you'll see a lot more loud, obnoxious C# devs, but somehow Rust is the worst. There was also a Rewrite it in LISP post[1] fan. Where is the "The Lisp community is unfortunately plagued by this subset of devs who are zealous (and downright toxic) in their shilling for their favorite language." [1]https://github.com/microsoft/typescript-go/discussions/411#discussioncomment-12473646 https://github.com/microsoft/typescript-go/discussions/411#d...
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    - angra_mainyu 2y ago
      .....and you got triggered. Somehow in the past 3-4 years it's only been that subset of Rust devs that have been wailing about: "WHY NOT REWRITE IT IN RUST?". Often they're mostly the same type: anime pfp, walls of text of pompous technobabble as if they were some elite caste of arcane cyberpriests preaching the gospel of Rust, etc. There's a reason "just rewrite it in Rust" has become such a meme.
      - Ygg2 2y ago
        > .....and you got triggered. Sure, you got me. If someone says the earth is actually a cube, I have to go defend the spherical chads. In this case, it's the sheer disconnect between RIIR askers, and the sheer number of people painting Rust devs with a continent wide brush. It's very in-group vs out-group reasoning. Let's demonstrate it. For example: I'm a Java dev, and I see a Java dev, being a moron, so I'll say "What a moron". But if that guy was a C# dev, I'm going to say "C# devs are morons". See the error committed here? > There's a reason "just rewrite it in Rust" has become such a meme. Just because something is a meme, doesn't make it true, either. Like it was true around the time of Rust 1.0. But that's been like 10 years ago. It isn't even the worst part about Rust community.
        angra_mainyu 2y ago
        >In this case, it's the sheer disconnect between RIIR askers, and the sheer number of people painting Rust devs with a continent wide brush. I have no idea how you can accuse me of this when I made a big disclaimer in my original comment: >Before anyone gets triggered and starts typing up a reply: "SUBSET" is the word I used.
        Ygg2 2y ago
        > "SUBSET" is the word I used. So? There is a subset of X lang (both bigger and smaller than Rust), complaining why not rewrite in X. But only Rust devs ever get the flak. Because it's a played out meme, or something. Or it triggers the Rust dev, whatever.
- Ygg2 2y ago
  You'll get loud, obnoxious idiots in any big enough crowd. Also [source needed].
rc00 2y ago
https://github.com/microsoft/typescript-go/discussions/411 https://github.com/microsoft/typescript-go/discussions/411 Some of the worst comments have been scrubbed but they might be in one of the internet archival sites.
hitekker 2y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43413702 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43413702 is one example. A Rustacean implied Go was not memory safe and that Microsoft couldn't understand the power of Rust. Steve Klabnik & others told them off. But other Rustaceans, like Patrick Walton, argued that Go has memory safety issues in theory.
- neonsunset 2y ago
  https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/abuse https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/abuse Rustacean, Gopher... this is an embarrassing way of looking at it. And, speaking of, Go is not a memory safe language when you reach for its concurrency primitives as it very easily lets you violate memory safety (as opposed to Rust, .NET and JVM, where instead you get logic bugs but not memory safety ones).
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> no one should be abused for choosing a language Can you link to the abuse?

ChocolateGod 2y ago

I recall a thread on Twitter where someone called the TypeScript developers "brain dead *tards" for using Go over Rust.

johnny22 2y ago
That's really dumb, but it's hard to call one one instance abuse. Now, I do beleive it turns into abuse if it a bunch of people do it. Especially if they are bringing their insults specifically into your space (repo forge, mailing lists, flooding your replies on social media, etc).
neonsunset 2y ago
Ah, so no abuse took place then? Interesting how it works. One could look at it as well-deserved frustration. No one would've batted an eye were Rust to be chosen, but opting into Go over C# or F# is an unquestionably poor long-term decision.
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angra_mainyu 2y ago
The Rust community is unfortunately plagued by this subset of devs who are zealous (and downright toxic) in their shilling for their favorite language. Before anyone gets triggered and starts typing up a reply: "SUBSET" is the word I used.
- Ygg2 2y ago
  So is any big enough community. Look at that "Why Go?" discussions, and you'll see a lot more loud, obnoxious C# devs, but somehow Rust is the worst. There was also a Rewrite it in LISP post[1] fan. Where is the "The Lisp community is unfortunately plagued by this subset of devs who are zealous (and downright toxic) in their shilling for their favorite language." [1]https://github.com/microsoft/typescript-go/discussions/411#discussioncomment-12473646 https://github.com/microsoft/typescript-go/discussions/411#d...
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  - angra_mainyu 2y ago
    .....and you got triggered. Somehow in the past 3-4 years it's only been that subset of Rust devs that have been wailing about: "WHY NOT REWRITE IT IN RUST?". Often they're mostly the same type: anime pfp, walls of text of pompous technobabble as if they were some elite caste of arcane cyberpriests preaching the gospel of Rust, etc. There's a reason "just rewrite it in Rust" has become such a meme.
    - Ygg2 2y ago
      > .....and you got triggered. Sure, you got me. If someone says the earth is actually a cube, I have to go defend the spherical chads. In this case, it's the sheer disconnect between RIIR askers, and the sheer number of people painting Rust devs with a continent wide brush. It's very in-group vs out-group reasoning. Let's demonstrate it. For example: I'm a Java dev, and I see a Java dev, being a moron, so I'll say "What a moron". But if that guy was a C# dev, I'm going to say "C# devs are morons". See the error committed here? > There's a reason "just rewrite it in Rust" has become such a meme. Just because something is a meme, doesn't make it true, either. Like it was true around the time of Rust 1.0. But that's been like 10 years ago. It isn't even the worst part about Rust community.
      - angra_mainyu 2y ago
        >In this case, it's the sheer disconnect between RIIR askers, and the sheer number of people painting Rust devs with a continent wide brush. I have no idea how you can accuse me of this when I made a big disclaimer in my original comment: >Before anyone gets triggered and starts typing up a reply: "SUBSET" is the word I used.
        Ygg2 2y ago
        > "SUBSET" is the word I used. So? There is a subset of X lang (both bigger and smaller than Rust), complaining why not rewrite in X. But only Rust devs ever get the flak. Because it's a played out meme, or something. Or it triggers the Rust dev, whatever.
Ygg2 2y ago
You'll get loud, obnoxious idiots in any big enough crowd. Also [source needed].

rc00 2y ago

https://github.com/microsoft/typescript-go/discussions/411 https://github.com/microsoft/typescript-go/discussions/411 Some of the worst comments have been scrubbed but they might be in one of the internet archival sites.

hitekker 2y ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43413702 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43413702 is one example. A Rustacean implied Go was not memory safe and that Microsoft couldn't understand the power of Rust. Steve Klabnik & others told them off. But other Rustaceans, like Patrick Walton, argued that Go has memory safety issues in theory.

neonsunset 2y ago
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/abuse https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/abuse Rustacean, Gopher... this is an embarrassing way of looking at it. And, speaking of, Go is not a memory safe language when you reach for its concurrency primitives as it very easily lets you violate memory safety (as opposed to Rust, .NET and JVM, where instead you get logic bugs but not memory safety ones).
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