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“This issue is unique to Tesla. Other self-driving manufacturers have logged zero motorcycle fatalities in the same time frame” Doesnt give number of driving h

“This issue is unique to Tesla. Other self-driving manufacturers have logged zero motorcycle fatalities in the same time frame” Doesnt give number of driving hours for Tesla vs others though.

robwwilliams 2y ago
Yep! And no stats at all. Pathetic article.
- rad_gruchalski 2y ago
  Do not believe any statistic you didn’t manipulate yourself.
  - robwwilliams 2y ago
    As others have pointed out in this thread you need to correct for miles driven by Teslas in autopilot versus other vehicles driven in autopilot mode. Without this adjustment, the data are meaningless. And with counts of 5 versus 0 you are deep into Poisson noise level. So yes, I stand by “pathetic”.
    - rad_gruchalski 2y ago
      There’s no such thing as „other vehicles driven on autopilot”. There’s cruise control, adaptive cruise control, and limited rollouts of level 3 autonomous driving locked to certain regions. You know why? Because everyone else except of Musk knows the tech is NOT ready. It doesn’t matter how many miles driven. What matters is Teslas don’t have radars and every other brand has.
- FireBeyond 2y ago
  Wait til you hear that Tesla doesn’t count fatalities in its accident data. Or that any collision that doesn’t involve airbag deployment is not actually an accident, according to Tesla. You were saying something about stats?
honeybadger1 2y ago
yes, it's missing the millions of FSD miles vs the minutes of drives of all of the rest combined.
- buyucu 2y ago
  at least 5 people would be alive today if tesla had not pushed unreliable technology on the market.
  - tordrt 2y ago
    Surely you would have to take into account all the near accidents and crashes that fsd has prevented as well.
    - buyucu 2y ago
      and how many is that? tesla is by far the most dangerous car brand: https://www.fastcompany.com/91234168/new-study-shows-tesla-makes-some-of-the-most-dangerous-cars-on-the-road https://www.fastcompany.com/91234168/new-study-shows-tesla-m...
- lynndotpy 2y ago
  This is not the case. Waymo alone has claimed 50 million rider-only miles as of December 2024. That would mean Waymo travelled at least 833,000 miles per hour on its driverless miles! (Unless you mean "minutes" in the literal sense, which can be any amount of time, and would apply to every vehicle.) It's worth noting Waymo's rider-only miles is a stronger claim than "FSD" miles. "Fully self driving" is Tesla branding (and very misleading, and expects an attentive human behind the wheel ready to take over in a split second.)
  - honeybadger1 2y ago
    tesla is almost at 4 billion fsd miles, its public, you can query the API yourself.

“This issue is unique to Tesla. Other self-driving manufacturers have logged zero motorcycle fatalities in the same time frame” Doesnt give number of driving hours for Tesla vs others though.

robwwilliams 2y ago

Yep! And no stats at all. Pathetic article.

rad_gruchalski 2y ago
Do not believe any statistic you didn’t manipulate yourself.
- robwwilliams 2y ago
  As others have pointed out in this thread you need to correct for miles driven by Teslas in autopilot versus other vehicles driven in autopilot mode. Without this adjustment, the data are meaningless. And with counts of 5 versus 0 you are deep into Poisson noise level. So yes, I stand by “pathetic”.
  - rad_gruchalski 2y ago
    There’s no such thing as „other vehicles driven on autopilot”. There’s cruise control, adaptive cruise control, and limited rollouts of level 3 autonomous driving locked to certain regions. You know why? Because everyone else except of Musk knows the tech is NOT ready. It doesn’t matter how many miles driven. What matters is Teslas don’t have radars and every other brand has.
FireBeyond 2y ago
Wait til you hear that Tesla doesn’t count fatalities in its accident data. Or that any collision that doesn’t involve airbag deployment is not actually an accident, according to Tesla. You were saying something about stats?

honeybadger1 2y ago

yes, it's missing the millions of FSD miles vs the minutes of drives of all of the rest combined.

buyucu 2y ago
at least 5 people would be alive today if tesla had not pushed unreliable technology on the market.
- tordrt 2y ago
  Surely you would have to take into account all the near accidents and crashes that fsd has prevented as well.
  - buyucu 2y ago
    and how many is that? tesla is by far the most dangerous car brand: https://www.fastcompany.com/91234168/new-study-shows-tesla-makes-some-of-the-most-dangerous-cars-on-the-road https://www.fastcompany.com/91234168/new-study-shows-tesla-m...
lynndotpy 2y ago
This is not the case. Waymo alone has claimed 50 million rider-only miles as of December 2024. That would mean Waymo travelled at least 833,000 miles per hour on its driverless miles! (Unless you mean "minutes" in the literal sense, which can be any amount of time, and would apply to every vehicle.) It's worth noting Waymo's rider-only miles is a stronger claim than "FSD" miles. "Fully self driving" is Tesla branding (and very misleading, and expects an attentive human behind the wheel ready to take over in a split second.)
- honeybadger1 2y ago
  tesla is almost at 4 billion fsd miles, its public, you can query the API yourself.