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No it is not. Right leaning opinions are heavily censored and shunned in all major publishing platforms that bots can scrape. For example, before Trump, if you

No it is not. Right leaning opinions are heavily censored and shunned in all major publishing platforms that bots can scrape. For example, before Trump, if you contested the utterly normal common sense and scientifically sound idea that a trans woman is still a man, you would be banned - therefore, people with common sense will simply disengage, self-censor and get on with life.

hijodelsol 2y ago
Maybe because that position is both scientifically and morally unsound and if held strongly will lead to dehumanization and hate, attributes we should prevent any LLM from having.
- concordDance 2y ago
  That particular debate is often a semantics debate, so it isn't in the domain of science at all. The main way I can think of off-hand to try and make it scientific is to ask about correlational clusters. And then you get way more than two genders, but you definitely get some clusters that contain both transwomen and men (e.g. if I hear a video game speed runner or open source software passion projecf maker using she/her pronouns they're trans more often than not).
  - darksaints 2y ago
    I have noticed certain groups where trans people are relatively over represented and group involvement more correlated with biological gender, but that’s not actually that interesting or meaningful in reality. Trans women having similar interests to men doesn’t make them men any more than me owning a gun makes me a Republican.
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    - naenin 2y ago
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    - concordDance 2y ago
      It would by a "correlational clusters" gender definition put some transwomen in a mostly male gender (though, again, you'd have a lot more than two genders with with that definition). And correlational clusters is one of the few ways it's not just semantics.
- Auracle 2y ago
  Well, you proved his point soundly. Imagine the downvotes he’d get on Reddit from people of opinions like your own. Really? It’s scientifically unsound? Come on now.
- ifellover 2y ago
  Your comment inspired me to seek out some research on the topic of transgender identity and brain structure. Pretty fascinating stuff, but hard for a layman like me to absorb. Seems to be quite a lot of studies finding notable differences in brain “readings” (for want of a better word, sorry not a scientist) between transgender people and others sharing their biological sex. The first study I read highlights the findings of many studies that the insula of transgender individuals is very different to cisgender individuals, with the insula being “associated with body and self-perception.” [0] Gosh our brains are truly something else and are not so easily categorised! Now if only I could find a way to learn all this stuff a little bit faster… [0] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41386-020-0666-3 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41386-020-0666-3 A collection of many other studies: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_gender_incongruence https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_gender_incongruenc...
- _factor 2y ago
  You’re very confident in your opinions. It’s not immoral to recognize that you and your family and most of the people you know are split between penis and vagina. It is immoral to police thoughts you disagree with. Believing race exists leads to dehumanization and hate. Maybe skin color doesn’t exist next? It’s just a representation with utility of similar feature/genetic groups that happened to evolve under similar environmental conditions. Is this scientifically unsound also?
  - ChromaticPanic 2y ago
    Not everyone has either or, some even have both
- selfmodruntime 2y ago
  > dehumanization and hate Whereas dehumanization and hate mean everything that makes people uncomfortable
kiitos 2y ago
Hate to break it to you, but gender is not an immutable/normative property defined forever at birth, it's a mutable/descriptive property evaluated in context. For example, in the year of our lord 2025, Hunter Schafer is a woman, with no ifs, ands, or buts.
- selfmodruntime 2y ago
  > Hate to break it to you, but gender is not an immutable/normative property defined forever at birth, it's a mutable/descriptive property evaluated in context. The entire point of the OC was that this is an opinionated debate.
  - kiitos 2y ago
    It literally isn't. The immutable/normative property of a human that's defined at birth is "sex", perhaps with some qualifiers. "Gender" is a mutable/descriptive property that's context-dependent.

hijodelsol 2y ago

Maybe because that position is both scientifically and morally unsound and if held strongly will lead to dehumanization and hate, attributes we should prevent any LLM from having.

concordDance 2y ago
That particular debate is often a semantics debate, so it isn't in the domain of science at all. The main way I can think of off-hand to try and make it scientific is to ask about correlational clusters. And then you get way more than two genders, but you definitely get some clusters that contain both transwomen and men (e.g. if I hear a video game speed runner or open source software passion projecf maker using she/her pronouns they're trans more often than not).
- darksaints 2y ago
  I have noticed certain groups where trans people are relatively over represented and group involvement more correlated with biological gender, but that’s not actually that interesting or meaningful in reality. Trans women having similar interests to men doesn’t make them men any more than me owning a gun makes me a Republican.
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  - naenin 2y ago
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  - concordDance 2y ago
    It would by a "correlational clusters" gender definition put some transwomen in a mostly male gender (though, again, you'd have a lot more than two genders with with that definition). And correlational clusters is one of the few ways it's not just semantics.
Auracle 2y ago
Well, you proved his point soundly. Imagine the downvotes he’d get on Reddit from people of opinions like your own. Really? It’s scientifically unsound? Come on now.
ifellover 2y ago
Your comment inspired me to seek out some research on the topic of transgender identity and brain structure. Pretty fascinating stuff, but hard for a layman like me to absorb. Seems to be quite a lot of studies finding notable differences in brain “readings” (for want of a better word, sorry not a scientist) between transgender people and others sharing their biological sex. The first study I read highlights the findings of many studies that the insula of transgender individuals is very different to cisgender individuals, with the insula being “associated with body and self-perception.” [0] Gosh our brains are truly something else and are not so easily categorised! Now if only I could find a way to learn all this stuff a little bit faster… [0] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41386-020-0666-3 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41386-020-0666-3 A collection of many other studies: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_gender_incongruence https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_gender_incongruenc...
_factor 2y ago
You’re very confident in your opinions. It’s not immoral to recognize that you and your family and most of the people you know are split between penis and vagina. It is immoral to police thoughts you disagree with. Believing race exists leads to dehumanization and hate. Maybe skin color doesn’t exist next? It’s just a representation with utility of similar feature/genetic groups that happened to evolve under similar environmental conditions. Is this scientifically unsound also?
- ChromaticPanic 2y ago
  Not everyone has either or, some even have both
selfmodruntime 2y ago
> dehumanization and hate Whereas dehumanization and hate mean everything that makes people uncomfortable

kiitos 2y ago

Hate to break it to you, but gender is not an immutable/normative property defined forever at birth, it's a mutable/descriptive property evaluated in context. For example, in the year of our lord 2025, Hunter Schafer is a woman, with no ifs, ands, or buts.

selfmodruntime 2y ago
> Hate to break it to you, but gender is not an immutable/normative property defined forever at birth, it's a mutable/descriptive property evaluated in context. The entire point of the OC was that this is an opinionated debate.
- kiitos 2y ago
  It literally isn't. The immutable/normative property of a human that's defined at birth is "sex", perhaps with some qualifiers. "Gender" is a mutable/descriptive property that's context-dependent.